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26. February 2011, 13:50:02
Undertaker. 
Subject: New Team Tournaments Format
Modified by Undertaker. (26. February 2011, 13:50:43)
I have a new idea about as try become team tournaments more competitive and interesting, and would like to share it with all you.

Unfortunately, some people prefer choose strong teams to play and, this way, there’s a big disparity between teams. Many times, before team tournaments started, seeing all teams already signed, I and probably many people know who will be the winner, and this is very sad for competition.

To try changing this situation, my idea is that each team captain could choose the position of their players in tournaments. Example:

Now
Team A                                                                  Team B
- Player 1 - 2200 points                                          - Player 2 - 2100 points
- Player 2 - 2155 points                                          - Player 2 - 2050 points
- Player 3 - 2000 points                                          - Player 3 - 1900 points
- Player 4 - 1800 points                                          - Player 4 - 1600 points
- Player 5 - 1750 points                                          - Player 5 - 1500 points

Probably, team A would win 5-0.

My idea
Team A                                                                 Team B
- Player 1 - 2200 points                                         - Player 1 - 1600 points
- Player 2 - 2155 points                                         - Player 2 - 1500 points
- Player 3 - 2000 points                                         - Player 3 - 2100 points
- Player 4 - 1800 points                                         - Player 4 - 2050 points
- Player 5 - 1750 points                                         - Player 5 - 1900 points

Team A preferred keep the order of their players and team B decided change it, so probably Team B would win 3-2. Besides, in a team tournament, there're some teams playing and each team captain will have a different idea to order his team, so will can there be many surprises.

This is my main idea. But there's a question...when a team captain signed his team, the real order of players cannot appear visible for everybody. So, the information of players will must appear for pontuation like now (and will change when the tournament start), or is hidden by ???????? like in "run around the pond".

What do you think about that?


26. February 2011, 17:29:19
coan.net 
Subject: Re: New Team Tournaments Format
Groeneveld: Then team A would still win 4/1 - I think the point being made is some teams pick the super strong team, leaving most other fellowships little chance of ever winning - so it's an interesting idea to possible give other fellowships more of a chance

Undertaker.: At first I was going to say "I would hate to see a team captain basically choose me as a sacrifice to a high level player" ---- but I then seen that it would mostly be a blind pick - that is the team captain will choose the order of the 5 - but you can't see the other of other teams so it would be more left up to chance. Like I said, interesting idea.

26. February 2011, 19:06:52
Undertaker. 
Subject: Re: New Team Tournaments Format
coan.net: Exactly. Moreover, the strategy of the strongest team (A) could be good to beat the team B, but could be bad to defeat team C, etc...
I don't want to mislead anyone... obviously, the team with the best players will always have more chances to win, but with "my format" the element of luck and surprise would be greater.

More, I think the captain would have a much bigger role than now, where only signs the team and little else does...

26. February 2011, 20:47:50
cd power 
Subject: Re: New Team Tournaments Format
Undertaker.: I like it and think it's a great idea

26. February 2011, 21:06:25
joshi tm 
Subject: Re: New Team Tournaments Format
cd power: I don't like that, because pairing now will be reliede more on luck.

How about a round-robin style Team Tournament? Play against everyone of the other teams, but that will give you a hell lot of extra games.

27. February 2011, 00:49:24
Undertaker. 
Subject: Re: New Team Tournaments Format
cd power: Thanks. :)

joshi tm
: Extra games? Sorry, but i think you didn't understand my idea. You would play the same number of games (if there're 5 teams, so you'll play 8 games, 2 games against each opponent). However, each captain decides the position of their players. This way, if you're the 3º best player of your team, your captain can decide that you will play like first player or last player of team. It's a strategy question. Then, you could play with best player of team B, with 5º best player of team C, with 4º best player of team D, etc, but you'll never play with best player of team B and with other player of team B in same tournament...you only play against one player of each team like now.

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