Subject: RE: Fish Behavior. ( As mentioned in Fencer's last post)
As a poker player myself, I have witnessed many river "miracles".
The problem with statistics is there is ALWAYS a chance that someone will get a card to beat you. If you have the lead at the flop, you must BET like you have the lead. Failing to do so allows for someone to take odds that are favorable to beat you.
For instance, if someone has four cards to a flush on the flop (two clubs in the hole, two on the board), there is ALMOST a 1 in 4 chance they will make their flush on every card. Therefore if you think you are AHEAD and you have multiple opponents, you must bet MORE than 1/2 of the total pot to DENY them the correct odds (if you bet 1/2 they will have 1 to 3 odds, plus the potential to make more money off of you, easy to call). If you are NOT betting correctly, people will stay in the hand, they will beat you, and you will complain.
For a more in depth discussion of proper betting in no limit hold em, see Harrrington on Hold Em, a great book for both the tournament and cash game player ( although geared more for tournament hold em).
Subject: Re: RE: Fish Behavior. ( As mentioned in Fencer's last post)
bobwhoosta: hey bob i know you're a maven .not only your chip total .but i either observed or played in a group with ya. yeah bob that would be right on when playing with card players . i had 1 4 i bet 50 pre flop .i got the ace with 2 no help cards 2 guys are in with me . i increase the bet as there are no straights or flush happening. these 2 guys are calling me . river i go all in .both called .one had a 48 the other bubkus .yet they called my every bet & all in . i made over a G . look when 2 pair , 789 3 or four of a suit. its hard to gauge .i had a guy call my turn 300 bet nut 2 pair he had 3 10 of hearts .& was rewarded with flush. players betting out preflop then check or they're out. on these tables you gotta throw away the book. if you bet early all go out they play the hand to river .if they bet then they pulled something . they will call you all the way down the line. good to talk to a card player. were there big games back in the day ha ha i meant the totals amassed astound me. you must have had a good crew big games. or played for 15 yrs (: anyway g/l to you .maybe run into you in a group game. mookster