Well I don't think anything else is actually being restored. What we see is what they were able to get back.

BUT - what I think fencer is doing is if a user knows what ratings they had before the crash, he is changing (restoring) the rating to what the user says it was.

... and possible if a user knows the outcome of certain games or tournaments, Fencer may also be changing (restoring) those also???? I'm not really sure. Hopefully once Fencer logs back on, he will let us know what he is doing - and if he would like us users to slow down with new games/tournament, or to start going full speed again! :-)

I think you should read Fencer's own post on the BrainKing.Info page. It is CLEAR as a bell i think :o) and from the horses mouth (so to speak)

gothic has just said differnt , so i dont know what to think

As I understand it Jason, what you have now is all that can be(and has been) recovered. No further games will appear except for new ones you create.

what do you mean restore games that are lost ? i had aked fencer yesterday if there was going to be any more information to be restored ...but havent had an answer yet . i dont want to spend my days making moves for nothing if they are going to dissapear when any update is done

If you have a computer...it is going to crash. I think Fencer and Liquid are doing an outstanding job. However, I hope the new hardware planned for this site comes soon.

* and I come here and read the past few message right after I just created 7 more of the "Fast start" tournaments! * :-)

How much is Fencer restoring? I understand that if someone knows what their previous rating is, or things like that, he will change it for him - but for me (and probable many others), I'm not going to worry about having him do that for me - since some of mine have went up, some down - and I don't know exactly what they were before the crash.

BUT - I know many users (and new users) and quickly trying to get some more games going because they may not have much anymore - and new tournaments are a good way for them to start playing again.

What we don't play in tournaments we'll play in games between ourselves anyway.

I doub't holding off on creating new tornamnets will ease anything? As Fencer stated just before the crash (BBW could create as many tournaments as he wanted because it doesn't effect the loading of the server!!)

Sorry to use you as an example BBW, but I don't think that creating tournaments will TAX the server any more? It is after all fully re-installed a new and running better than before the crash I would expect?

Perhaps if Filip would clarify though incase I am wrong??

I think the prize ones need to keep coming, they will be needed to get a little cash back into Fencer's pocket sooner rather than later.

This site is going to be very busy for the next couple of weeks I would imagine. Fencer is working hard to restore games that have been lost. The ratings are skewed now, and this has the chance to permanently effect all subsequent games being rated.

Given this is the case, I think we should have a moritorium on the creation of new tournaments for a while. New tournaments means new games which means activity which means the website would be taxed.

How about we let Fencer just work on getting things as close to normal as possible without putting the extra load on the server?

Let 's take a 2 week break from creating new tournaments to let things stabilize a bit.

a Great Job to the staff at brainking for the hard work I know they had to have done to get the site back up. And for the record, I don't know what games I've won or lost that are back...I just enjoy the chance to play. So, if anyone thinks I'm a bad sport...forgive me

Not perfect huh LOL :oÞ

And you are dead right Rose, it (with an sh) happens. I have at several times in the last 5 years lost data permanently, and I DO HAVE all the things that Filip would like to have in place on my system in work. Hot Swap SCSI drives, RAID 5, resilient back-up nightly and I still lost data, if its gonna go, you can not (will not) prevent it :o( it is the nature of the beast im afraid. And 6 weeks is nothing on the grand scheme of things LOL I lost 8 months once (try explaining that to the boss LMAO)

Computers are man made.. Men arent perfect (Sorry Steve-O and Aragon but it's true, men arent perfect! :-)) Why ppl are so upset and so angry over this makes no sense. Everyones home computer has gone.. scuse the expression "tits-up" at one time or another.. Did you blame your self over that? Highly unlikely. This site is so much better run then any other turn based site right now. The feed back you get from the site owner is second to none. Crap happens

is this going to be a bi-monthly thing now ...the site losing all the memory of games i mean....how about making monthly game leader boards...then maybe at the end of a certain amount of time the leaders in that span play each other for a champion...just trying to think of a new system here....the one in place doesn't seem to be working with all the gamesite alzhiemers that happens

I agree a new start and Filip, no Hurry I am very busy right now but can you just delete all my games with no penalty to either myself or my opponent... BKR's will sort themselves out again in due course...
The chess club ladders, tournaments and the interfellowship match will have to be restarted from scratch

I ment games that I have started and finshed after 15 Sept.

I for one to prevent this resigned ALL my games, even ones i knew that i won prior. A clean start is far better than the hassle :o)

I have played a number of quick (Over 20) games which have gone. I was 1st in battle boats BKR but cannot remember how many points i had. I have all so lose my BKR ratings in 3 or 4 diffrent games. How can you fix games that?

yes i am coming across a few bad sporstmen too , having to play games that they knew they had lost and will still lose , there are some good sportsmen too so thanks to the ones that have resigned ;)

i must be playing with alot of bad sportsmen because i haven't had one player resign a game that i had won...the funny thing is how the games came to my gamesheet...the ones i won are muddled up back in the mid to start of the game but the ones i lost are one or 2 moves from being over....no second chance for me in any....if people are supposed to resign games they know they lost it better be posted somewhere. the thought never crossed most peoples minds.

just a question ... how can you restore bkrs ? if this starts happening i will end up in a worse position than i am now , i do know what my bkrs was on some of my games , my question is how can people get thier bkr back and still be 100 % fair (this isnt aimed at anybody) but if i start to go further down the list then i would want and my finshed games deleted and mr bkrs restored to what it was before the crash

For anyone who missed it the first time, heres the link to...

INTERVIEW WITH.... FENCER

I stored all the questions received so far for CaoZ on my PC, so those are not lost :o)
I am still taking questions though, so send them to me! State if you want your name with the question, or if you'd like to stay anonymous.
Thanks :o)

Thanks for updating my bkrs Fencer :o) I am surprised you are awake anyways after the long days you must of had , being a shift worker, I sympathise <sp>
Ill put that on here so as not to clog your inbox :o)
Steve

Whoa! Over 200 requests handled this morning and more than 100 waiting in a queue. I'm taking a rest, will be idle for at least one hour ;-)

Easy solution, think hard. If you know you lost a game resign it, if your not sure ask your opponent, if neither are sure play through. A good sportsman would not take advantage of the situation by trying to win a game they already lost. I have resigned numerous games that i know i lost, big deal there just games. Instead of going on and on about it just figure it out. Fencer has a few more important things to deal with and we should just be glad we have the chance to play or resign games at all.

ellie: I don't know if there is another solution. Or do you suggest something else?

what an absolute breathe of fresh air LOLOL
I just love your senility definition...it sorta fits at this end as well, BUT i draw the line at previously played games :(
It is sort of like having yesterdays dinner again to day, except it isnt as fresh or as tasty :( LOLOLOL

i don't quite understand, when you say, play all started games, does that mean every game that's on my gamesheet from sept.?

I haven't the foggiest, so I have to take whatever solution I can get. I prefer to play through. Some people don't like that, but I haven't run into it with any of my opponents. So, I can just sit here, fat, dumb and happy, playing games I've played before, and still have fun. The marvelous thing about senility is that you can delight over and over again at the same thing. §: )

It's not easy to make an universal conclusion. Well, the easiest way for me is to let people continue with the started games. But if you are sure about correct results, I can finish these games.

yes you dear thing :) you even gave me proof...not a problem...it is the "ones that have no idea" like myself that amaze me...just get rid of all games:) Start afresh

that would be a good way to do it, the only games i know for sure if i won or lost are battleboats, cause i have those written down, i have no idea what i did in the other games. i'm waiting for Fencer to say if we are going to start from now before i play any games.

I dont believe what I am seeing here ROFLMAO
"I dont believe in draws" from one person and the particular game was unrated hahahahahaha
"Why dont you just resign" from another who I thought of as a good sport, but then if I resign.....they get the points......get rid of all games after the Sept 11th???? oops sorry Sept 15th and before November 4th/5th (guy Fawkes day)....let no one take aedvantage of this unfortunate happening

LOL :) good advice

Me either, Bernice. I'm offering to resign, or play through, whatever my opponents want to do. It doesn't matter, it's all games to me.

I cant remember any of the games win lose or draw...im offering a draw to EVERYONE :) at least we all get something then

I would think that all go for the gold, go for the wins, and do not care to loose the record we have set in the files or ourselves.... but for the price we pay to play, we must now just accept the lost games as practice ones, and enjoyable at that.... I for one like the games, as for back in august I pinched a nerve in my back and my right hand has had two numb fingers since then.... go the the doctor for two hour test tomorrow... but spending time with you folks has helped pass the bad nights.... typing this in with my left hand, but you must play with the hands you are dealt.... other then Jason showing me no mercy, thanks to all of you for beginning on the challenge to me, hopefully... again other than JASON I may of brought a small challenge to you..... keep up the good work, and once again.....LET DA GAMES BEGIN

I think you people are freakin nuts, and harley, well, never mind.

What a question! Haha! I think you should forget you know Slam until we start playing the mid-October games. That's my vote.

*gets an umbrella and continues dancing* rain on the parade all ya want. It hits the umbrella and rolls off and goes away :)

I didn't like you much pre-September 15th but about mid-October I changed my mind cuz everybody else loves you so what the heck. So now, should I just like you like everybody else (post mid-October change) or should I go back to my pre-Sept 15 feelings?

i'M cOnFuSeD

..with unexpected change, i suggest a book..a short called "Who moved my cheese?"

wHy dOEz iT MaTtEr?
tHeSe..oThErz..tHaY aRe gAmEz, jEFf...gAmEz.

these games all over? just cant seem to get myself to do it, but i dont want to forfiet all the games either. is by any chance everything going to be reset?

To all those that entered.

Here follows a copy of the message that i`ve posted on my tournament page concerning EBT.

(NOTICE)4/11/03 Because of all the site problems i have decided to cancel this tournament with immediate effect. If players wish to continue with the tournament then please feel free but please be aware that NO PRIZE will now be offered since i intend to re-run the whole tournament at a later date when all the site faults are corrected. Sorry for the disappointment that this may cause.!

I have done this because of the difficulties that may arise from having moves "Rolled back" to the the earlier date with a good example being possible different results than they where originally.!

I will not be deleting the tournament, so please feel free to continue if you so wish.

Thanks.

anybody that has a game with me that they know they won me on 100 % please message me so i can resign the game , im working my way through the ones i know of , would be nice if other people did the same .(could save months of redoing games that should already be done )

As soon as Fencer logs back in your upgrade will be a done deal mrloupcity. The list of sponsers and those to be sponsered all got lost in the crash and I'm trying to reconstitute it. It's a big job because I can't get hold of everybody and can't tell what payments have been sent in and which haven't. Working on it though.

I'm not mad. If u read my first note i said the games was just like spilled milk and water over the dam. All I have been asking if someone on the 1st paid a membership canit and will it be found.
harley as to asking Chief KM, I was hoping that they may read my question or the person that sponsor a pawn may also read it here. But guess this is not the place to bring it up. Yes I will ask Chief about it. I just wanted to know if it maybe found but, I guess by all the notes here it will not be.
Again TYVM for everones time.
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their apology from yesterday is still valid I guess,
not only slow loading (on 1.5mps) also lots of errors ~*~