Tuesday: Yes, another of my great ideas, well, myself and harley actually took the idea to Filip.

Then we called it Customer Services lol....... those were the day

It is a funny old world is it not ?

Just a thought as i am working my way through things for Fencer to think about for the new BrainKing. It is amazing since Brainking started how much it has changed. The amount of requests that have already been implemented, all by Filip himself of course.
Some of the names of people that were here in the first few months, along with those of us still here. It sort of bring back happy memories in a strange way.
How odd the site was then, we did not even have Backgammon OR Boats, and how it has grown.

Let us hope, with brainking 3.0 being developed, it can carry on improving & growing

Ian - MM

Tuesday: Banned for what? having an opinion??

Tuesday: I think that's because that right got taken along time ago. that they were banned from posting in fellowship, pming, and quite a few other things and each time saying "I'm sorry, I'm a good guy" ... and ... "I'm the no.1 flamer" don't give rise to much confidence. And that many a 'flamer' (to use a term) and non flamer think this person goes overboard... hence the confusion.

Tuesday: What complaining about complaining!! Rather paradoxical

MadMonkey: if they are paying by card, surely that'll leave a money trail. eg the account name.

Fencer:

It does just show that there are strong feeling about this. If the person in question in banned, lets hope that means banned, and not banned of using that account so go and create another

I do appreciate the problem though, and you have more important things to do than chase people and try to prevent them from doing such things.

I wonder if there is away to track account set-ups. You can only hide so much, from people if they want to find out this sort of information. I was only ready a news article the other day about all the latest Proxy's and get rounds, and even using Proxy's there are some sites like Facebook, Gmail, Twitter that give all this info away

Fencer: Nobody will leave... maybe one or two But come on Fencer. You have mods as Gerry says. You made this a family site and spent much time on that aspect!!

What is going on??

Pedro Martínez: Well If I was really to say everything on a public board in relation to that matter, I'd get banned. As much is such it does not belong on public boards.

Other matters, are common knowledge. So, in respect of those items which do not belong on a public board I gave you "some gibberish."

And with respect if you knew this "some gibberish." you'd find it strange that this person is let back on... even stranger is the nature of the account formation after the fact that the creator is supposed to against this person and making promises over helping this person.

And Roberto Silva last paragraph has much substance. Many people are stopped from entering the UK over using false documents despite previously being denied visas. And can be liable to criminal prosecution as well as immediate deportation.

lol

I only have 2 board's that i read or post on Fencer if this kind of crap is aloud to continue it just show's to me that your are not very concerned about it Why do you even have MOD"S here to end this matter.We all know that this is the best game site on the internet. I feel this is very off topic for this board & would like to see all this crap ended PLEASE & THANK YOU

cd power: If someone doesn't like the guy, put him on block and don't join BG Race tournaments that he's in.

The latter is harder than it sounds. You can only make sure that happens if you're the last person to join a tournament (it's full afterwards), and noone else has joined who is already on their limit of tournaments. Otherwise, such a person can join a tournament after you.

cd power: I don't have anything against anyone either - in fact, I don't recall ever having a problem with any user on this site. I don't even know who the user is/was or the reason for the ban.

My point is: the person was banned, for whatever reason, and has now returned. If Fencer gave that person permission to return, that's fine by me - or rather, I couldn't give a crap about it. If he hasn't, then it's a ban violation.

MadMonkey: If that is really how the site is going to be run now , i think you will find ALOT of people leaving - Ian, pleeeeease! You are a smart guy and you know it is not true.

: I also have never participated in this conversation, but to me, it's simple: If someone doesn't like the guy, put him on block and don't join BG Race tournaments that he's in. Then, just go about your life instead of filling up the discussion board with this nonsense. Let Fencer run this site however he wants to. I doubt anyone will quit over this, because this site is too great, but if they do, then that means I don't have to read their complaining on the discussion boards.

I don't have anything against anybody... only you can choose whether or not something or someone bothers you.

Roberto Silva: I 100% agree with you. If i Ban someone from my local bar for what ever reason, and they come back the next day and say 'Oh , its ok, i am someone else now, everything is going to be ok' i DO NOT think i would let them in.

Pedro: If that is really how the site is going to be run now , i think you will find ALOT of people leaving, Never heard such a crazy idea

And just to add, i have never had anything to do with those involved ion this converstation, and so have nothing against anyone. Madness !!

Roberto Silva: If anything is absurd, it's the very last paragraph of yours.

I would like you to tell me why should a person returning to a site under a new account after having been banned be banned again if they publicly admit that they are the same person and at the same time they make it clear that they are intending to obey the rules of the site. I just don't get it. You would be punishing the person for showing good manners, when they could easily keep creating new and new accounts and acting the same as before?

And I believe you should get used to the fact that "Roberto Silva" is nothing but an account here, as well as "Pedro Martínez", "bumble" or whoever else. If the site owner decides to ban me from here, he is banning "Pedro Martínez", not the real me. He blocks the access of "Pedro Martínez" to BrainKing, he doesn't come to my house and take my computer away. By the way, would you be willing to spend hours or days by considering the evidence on whether two accounts are indeed used by the same person? It is probably not the case of BK, but at some websites the site admin could possibly face a lawsuit if they ban someone without justified reasons.

The bottom line is: you DO ban accounts, not people.

Pedro Martínez: That's absurd. A ban is a ban, and the banned person can only return after getting permission from the site administrator to do so. That's the rule in every web site I know. As far as I know, this hasn't happened.

New accounts from banned PEOPLE (known as sock-puppet accounts) are closed the moment they are discovered. Yes, it's true that administrators can't be expected to monitor every account, but once they're informed of a particular account they ban it as well.

The concept of banning an account but allowing the person to come back is something I have never heard of in so many years on the internet. Accounts don't violate site policy, people do.

That's like saying that if you commit a crime but change your name you can no longer get arrested because it was a different name that commited it

(V): I couldn't care less about your opinion on me being informed over "matters." I asked you a simple question, you have failed to answer, instead you come up with some gibberish.

Pedro Martínez: Then I don't think you can be fully informed over matters. Just an opinion.

(V): Because of the lack of the time and the nature of the way of the banning

Sorry, I have no idea what part of my previous post is this a reply to and how it is related to what I was getting at.

Pedro Martínez: Because of the lack of the time and the nature of the way of the banning.

You are missing the point of LJ, that person got banned for a long time, and by all accounts, the person in mind was as worse or close to, hence the bans.

(V): And LJ was already back a long time ago.

(V): What exactly is your problem with allowing accounts that cause no trouble at all to stay unbanned from this site? I mean if Jamie continues acting in the same manner as he did as LMINY, I am certain Fencer will ban him again. But from what I've read so far, he seems to have taken a lesson.

Pedro Martínez: LJ is back... after how many years?? We are not asking Fencer to track every account, just to adhere to a reasonable banning period, which we all thought from past site bans (and big bans) was in place. Otherwise... what is the point of them happening? Everyone who's been banned might as well be let off being banned as of this moment if this account is allowed straight away after the extent of the ban and how it came into place!!

Would someone be so kind as to send me the new id of this player.Because if your talking about who i think your talking about,i don't want to chance getting in another never ending backgammon race with him! Thanks in advance.

(V): Yes, LJ IS back on here and he does behave. You don't even know about him. Why would anyone want to ban him again? And the same applies to LMINY. As long as he does nothing wrong under his new account, as he claims not to intend to do anything like that, I see no reason to take any measures against him. Moreover, you can't expect Fencer to track and verify every account that might seem to belong to a person previously banned, can you?

Bernice: Rose explained it best.

Imsoaddicted: He was given that account!!

Bernice: i think you are missing my point
if ppl are to thick skinned and arrogant to see they not wanted
whats the answer


we also know he didnt create the account he on right now he took it over from someone else
so in my eyes that person is has guilty has what he is

MadMonkey: Well, Fencer knows, and Fencer has seen the evidence (ie the person admitting to that they are the banned person) .... it's in his court now (as per the tennis pun)

Imsoaddicted: ah but as was said below....."Fencer doesn't have time to babysit".......crap....

MadMonkey: Just shows what some people are like, obviously banned for whatever reason, yet they must think it clever to return. Some people just dont know when they are not wanted

well said couldnt of put it better myself

(V): Surely if the site owner bans you from the site, it means you are no longer wanted there for what ever reason (and the owner should not have to provide one).

Just shows what some people are like, obviously banned for whatever reason, yet they must think it clever to return. Some people just dont know when they are not wanted

MadMonkey: The person is openly admitting who they are. Their excuse is "Fencer never told me I couldn't create another account"

Bernice: Well, sadly it is true.

Anyone can create as many accounts as they wish although it is strictly against stite policies. Although Fencer can not always determine if accounts belong to the same person. If the person chooses not to say anything to anyone, then no one would ever know.
In your case, if tthe person is openly admitting that they are banned then IMO they should be remoeved, BUT often it is not as easy as that

Pedro Martínez: I fear I can´t take this comment very serious. An account can never behave itself it´s always the person behind that is responsible and that has to accept the consequences. That means (in my opinion) if somebody is banned, the person is banned and all his connected accounts (old and new, if traceable) for now and in the future, untill the ban is over.

Pedro Martínez: Sorry, but I don't get that. You as we all know it takes alot to get banned from the whole site. And as in this case, the person was banned in stages from much of the site and normal things.. Then to be allowed back on...

Is LJ back on here??

And it is a person behind each and every account. I do admit that in some cases it is hard to prove wrong doing and the level as such is not worth the effort to track down someone (such as the various multi nicks on this site) .... But a site ban use to mean a site ban.
In the past, such as the cave incident.. the people had to be given Fencer's ok to come back.

This is why people are a little perplexed by the current matter being discussed.

Pedro Martínez: Then that means that anybody can get banned and come back as another name....I would like to see a poll done on how the "users" of BK think of that....not too good I don't think. But thanks for your input :)

Bernice: I believe it is the behavior of "accounts", not "people", what should be considered in terms of banning. If the person whose name cannot be mentioned here does not violate the BK rules under his new account, in my opinion there is no reason to ban him again.

Bernice: as long as there is money to be made, there is never a true ban.

I have a query...there was a person banned from here (the entire site) not too long ago....can someone tell me how or why he is allowed back under a different name and he actually admits to being the same person that was banned?

Thad: there is a setting for auto-refresh, if you keep that at 5 min or less it will appear that you are always here while you are logged in