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31. Dezembro 2008, 05:57:15
The Col 
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Artful Dodger: The Palestinians will turn on Abbas,at Hamas's urging,I totally agree with your other points

31. Dezembro 2008, 18:01:35
Mort 
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Artful Dodger: One of the comments from your link....

"United Earth
Afghanistan 31/12/2008

Plan B

The problem is is that both sides refuse to budge on their desires. To the PALs guy here, you cannot have Israel back. What is done is done and the clock cannot be rolled back. You must go to Plan B and demand a Palestinion state. Israel MUST give up land for peace. Have UN peacekeepers from China if necessary. Stop calling for the destruction of Israel and Israel must stop refusing to sacrifice land. Plan B is the only solution. Anything else is armagedden."

31. Dezembro 2008, 19:04:28
tyyy 
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(V): Also the building continues, of new and expanded settlements, which was to be stopped so long ago. the game continues and the missiles fly and probably always will

31. Dezembro 2008, 19:26:05
Mort 
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Charles Martel: I think the USA's right to veto on anything to do with the Israel/Palestine situation should be revoked.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Maybe then, people can actually get involved and slap both sides heads and with reasonable force tell them enough is enough, the rest of the world is getting sick and tired of your childish games of who owns the playground.

31. Dezembro 2008, 20:54:59
Mort 
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Artful Dodger: Has it? Has it given back all the land they nicked in the name of setting up more settlements.. I heard they were giving that land back, but not sure how it's progressed.

I think you'll find most ordinary Palestinians would just like to have a normal life, so would most of Israel citizens, but you get like you did in Northern Ireland where both sides squabble and kill each other in a tit for tat war.

And yes, I think the Palestinians would love a country of their own if it was secure, recognised and protected by the same international laws that apply to every other country. If that was done, don't you think the hatred by the extremists that they spread would have less ears listening?

And you are right.. There is plenty of land there, but thanks to all this fighting some serious getting down and talking about a secure safe region where all can live in their own country is not happening.

No-one is winning. No-one will win until some serious pressure from the rest of the world gets to happen. But the USA will probably block that.

.... Shame.

31. Dezembro 2008, 21:13:11
tyyy 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing  Given up???? thats Hilarious

 What shall we call menachim begin and the irgun? terrorist? The American Indian?  savages??? the   Jews of the Holocaust? sub humans? calling people fighting in their own land  to reclaim it terrorist is just a tactic to dehumanize them as to make them more comfortable to kill,  like the examples listed above



31. Dezembro 2008, 21:30:08
Mort 
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Charles Martel: And the recent use of cluster bombs in Lebanon isn't exactly kosher. Leaving behind a country riddled with unexploded munitions that will more probably kill innocent civilians then para military forces....

If that had been done by Saddam, there would be uproar.

31. Dezembro 2008, 22:54:02
Czuch 
Assunto: Re:If that had been done by Saddam, there would be uproar.
(V): r u kidding???

You still dont understand the concept that Saddam and Iraq were a very uniquely different situation than any other faced around the globe in these times?

I dont see years of UN sanctions or constant monitoring or 90% of the people needing me to feed them, they havent threatened us in the recent past, they are not a threat to give nukes to people who want to use them against us... the list goes on and on.... for you to even compare Saddam to what is going on now with Israel only adds to the depth of ignorance about both what is going on now and what Iraq was all about!

1. Janeiro 2009, 00:59:33
Mort 
Assunto: Re:If that had been done by Saddam, there would be uproar.
Czuch: Saddam was so bad that certain countries gave him WMD materials to use against Iran.... .... .... Mmmmmmm

As for sanctions and resolutions... The USA has always vetoed such action.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Read it Czuch. Israel has been living as though international law did not apply to it for decades.

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