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15. Aprile 2006, 11:05:41
takodori 
Argomento: The colors of players
Together with Igo release in Brainking(http://brainking.com/en/News), the colors of players has switched each other in Shogi, i.e. Black for Sente(the first mover) and White for Gote(the second mover). They used to be reversed here.

I would like to say thank you to Fencer for doing a good job as always. And I hope the handicapped game feature will be added to shogi shortly.

15. Aprile 2006, 16:40:34
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: The colors of players
takodori: It shouldn't be a problem (handicaps). But I don't know how the Shogi handicap system works.

15. Aprile 2006, 17:49:44
GreyUsagi 
Argomento: Shogi Handicaps

15. Aprile 2006, 18:40:41
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
flummoxed: Thank you. As I can see, there is this set of handicaps:

1. Six Piece Handicap - White removes rook, bishop, both lances, and both knights.
2. Five Piece Handicap - White removes rook, bishop, both lances, and either knight.
3. Four Piece Handicap - White removes rook, bishop, and both lances.
4. Two Piece Handicap - White removes rook and bishop.
5. Rook and Lance Handicap - White removes rook and his left lance.
6. Rook Handicap - White removes his rook.
7. Bishop Handicap - White removes his bishop.
8. Lance Handicap - White removes his left lance.

The gnushogi site describes an eight-piece handicap too. Should it be added to the list?

15. Aprile 2006, 22:33:25
GreyUsagi 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
Fencer: The gnushogi site has decent references for the eight piece handicap. I don't think it would hurt to have it as an option; I could certainly make use of being offered it.

16. Aprile 2006, 12:55:00
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
flummoxed: All right, you can try it now.

16. Aprile 2006, 13:11:14
Sergey1 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
Fencer: Thanks for new possibilities! It's very good! But how will calculate rating in gandicap games? If stong player give gandicap then the force of players is equalized. Therefore rating will calculate as players have equal rating. But it's correct not always. I not know this dependences.

16. Aprile 2006, 13:41:09
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
YuryShpilev: All handicap games are automatically unrated.

16. Aprile 2006, 16:20:25
Sergey1 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
Fencer: I found 1st error. White make 1st move, but not black! And game begin for recording from 2nd move.

16. Aprile 2006, 16:30:47
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
YuryShpilev: I did't know that. Why should white make the first move?

16. Aprile 2006, 17:19:45
Sergey1 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
Fencer: No problem. If black make 1st move than weakest player have winnig position in 8 piece gandicap (white without Rook, Bishop and all Lance, Knight and Silver) after 1.P-7f 2.G-3b 3.B-6f 4.G-7b 5.Bx9c+. If white begin that they defend own position: 2.G-3b 3.P-7f 4.G-7b 5.B-6f 6.G-8b and white defend pawn on 9c.
But here can another explanation: white give material and must have compensation by doing 1st move.

17. Aprile 2006, 08:48:08
Fencer 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
YuryShpilev: I understand. It won't be a problem, of course. But if the game recording starts from the 2nd move, does it mean the white's 1st move is not recorded?

18. Aprile 2006, 00:22:16
DragonKing 
Argomento: Re: Shogi Handicaps
Fencer: Larry Kaufman- an amateur 5 dan- has a series of articles about the best play with each of the standard handicaps. They are at Mindzine- Google handicap shogi to find them. They were very helpful to me when I started to play shogi last year.

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