@toddstarnes
toddstarnes
Cable News Ratings - O'Reilly 3,271,000 Piers Morgan 604,000

Übergeek 바둑이: They are relying on their viewers not to know the difference.

eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjRV-UTs9o

Artful Dodger: Formal logic.... excluding a middle ground... .... yes, I understand the idea, but as having dealt with logic on a formal training ground in the likes of the ultimate logic devices, computers.


.... I find that it's not logical.

A computer uses 01, yet from that it must to operate, be capable of and/or gates as well as yes/no.

Then after reading up I have to ask, are you talking about the Aristotle version or Begriffsschrift?

Way to go Fox News and CNN. It is nice to see those networks lying to their viewers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ

Specially Fox News. They are so incompetent that they can't even figure out the difference between Greek and Russian writing.

DAMMIT!!

(V): I was speaking of formal logic. But then you knew that, right?

Artful Dodger: Yes... As they do on the BBC. Many once hardened lefties or righties, but softer now on a channel they use to fight with.

Interesting fact that!!

Artful Dodger: Seems there are several languages or varieties of that.

(V): All cable news outlets have paid contributors.

Artful Dodger: "

PROPER to pay them as they are regulars"....

Ships biscuits were trice baked. Very hard after that, but add gravy...

(V): philosophical logic??? off in left field?

(V): Should have said two opposite views. And yes, one view presented was completely opposite as she's a well known liberal. Fox has liberals on all the time and it's PROPER to pay them as they are regulars. Some guests don't get money as they are guests being interviewed. But those offering up commentary are called contributors and they are paid. So what.

Logic is abused and often chemical biological truths are mixed in to cause a move from binary to at least a trinary system. That languages keep on changing, and you've always got a chance of a ghost in the machine.

.. Especially back when I was at college when punch cards were used to program the mainframe, as we did back then before PC's!!

Artful Dodger: wow.. they really opposed... ... ... hard!!

I guess if they did their Fox paychecks would stop!! eheheheheh

(V): Eric Bolling=1 person. I've seen that video. Did you notice that he had TWO OPPOSING views presented?

Oh yeah DP, you walked away from our last exchange with your tail between your legs. You should stay away from trying to identify logical fallacies and stop pretending to understand logic. It's clear you don't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl6ekkvWnOE


4 in this link to the fox news article.

Artful Dodger:
I don't think so, but feel free to persuade with either a link or an accurate quote.

(V): you were talking about the muppets. Show me more than one. More than two??

last time you tried that you had egg all over your face.

Artful Dodger: That's an excuse you keep using. But when many commentators on Fox say similar things about Liberals, socialism and communism at every opportunity...

It's more then one!!

(V): stop watching them. geez

(V):
He employs the "Argumentum ad hominem" fallacy regularly to avoid arguing the actual point of another's argument.

Artful Dodger: I said TV preachers... Please stop trying to change the context. ;P

And on the ones we see in the UK, alot of them are promising that God and Jesus will help them with their financial problems.

(V): Well, actually it was one commentator on Fox, not Fox as a whole. So you got that point wrong anyway. And I did comment. I corrected you when you said liberals are everywhere. I said that in Hollywood, they are as in the print and tv media. At least predominately. That's true. In talk radio, conservative voices out number the liberals but the liberals are there. But commentary and news are NOT THE SAME. But you knew that, right?

(V): Never heard it in any of the churches I've attended or visited.

Artful Dodger: The original post I did was about Muppets and Fox. We can go back to that and who killed Kenny if you wish!!

Artful Dodger: Yes they can.. But they don't have an audience being told God and Jesus is going to make them rich.

(V): I agree. Your post is quite meaningless. As it has NOTHING to do with the context anyway. You do have a serious attention deficit problem yes? It even shows in your writing.

Artful Dodger: Yes... I hear a soundbite about a man who's worth $6.7 billion dollars. Has used his papers and other media outlets to make governments rise and fall depending on whether they will be 'his friend' and pay homage on results. He is rated by business magazine Forbes the 13TH most powerful person in the world.

"Not exclusively, but predominantly"

Meaningless!!

Porn can make you rich and so can selling all things satanic. The occult is hugely popular. yada yada

(V):
That is capitalism.
It would be unamerican to suggest Jesus is off limits for profitable ventures.
I have heard or read the claim from many Christians that the bible is the all time best seller.

(V):Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly
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get it now? or do you need more?

Artful Dodger: Is Murdoch a Liberal then?

(V): Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly

Artful Dodger: I suppose then.. we have to blame them for the death of Kenny then!!

But is Kennys' death a fact??

(V): Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly

Dark Prince: ... There are never ever any movies glorifying making money!!... ... ... Maybe that role has been moved to the Churches, seeing as many a TV preacher seems to be saying Jesus can make you rich!!

(V):
We mustn't forget about the green agenda of Dr. Seuss and the insidious eco-friendly plots of his books.
Oh, the horror of spreading the message of maintaining sustainable resources. We humans are supposed to dominate. If creatures have not evolved to withstand human encroachment and exploitations, they don't deserve to survive.

Ahhhhh the Liberals are everywhere according to Fox..... Even according to Eric Bolling using the New Muppet movie to promote communism.

Tim Dowling a blogger for the Guardian (it's a blogger, so he must be right) reports on how, with this new enlightenment he can look back and see all the old Muppet movies including this one are part of a long plot to overthrow the American dream and to brainwash young kiddies (just as the Cars movies did) into being left of left leftie liberals.

".....
The Muppet Movie (1979). The Muppets head for liberal Hollywood, portrayed here as some kind of collectivist paradise, while a businessman, a Colonel Sanders-type fast food magnate, is once again the antagonist. The notion of slaughtering a pig (in this case, Miss Piggy) is treated as if it were equivalent to murder. Thank you, veggie-nazis.

The Great Muppet Caper (1981). The Muppets travel to London, home of socialised medicine. Features some squatting.

The Muppets Take Manhattan (1984). I didn't see this one, but it's clearly about the Muppets joining some sort of terrorist network, which may sound funny to certain leftwing intellectual freedom-haters, but I think it's just sick.

The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992). Based on a story by Charles Dickens, whose other work was known to demonise workhouses, prisons and the wealthy. On the plus-side, the film itself promotes private charity over state intervention, but the overall message is that poor people got that way through no fault of their own, and need rich people to bail them out.

Muppet Treasure Island (1996). Treats the entrepreneurial wherewithal of freelance treasure hunters as "piracy". Why, for once, can't the bad guy turn out to be an overzealous environmental regulator?

Muppets From Space (1999). This film posits an essentially godless universe where certain Muppets turn out to be space aliens and is, in its own way, as anti-Christian as any Harry Potter film...."

Remember people... Liberals are everywhere!!

Bwild: It'll be interesting to see if prices do come down once the UK's new wealth of shale gas comes on the market. Personally I'd like to see more geothermal power systems built.

Yellowstone holds a lot of potential ;)

Bwild: If that's the case, a hammer can bring it to light.

(V): the entire problem in a nutshell.

N' why is it that such firms as Southern Cross have to be regulated? Isn't it inherent as part of the service of running a care home organisation you'll not run up so much debt that the whole company collapses leaving 750 care homes and 30,000 residents exposed to closure..... Which is now the situation... leaving the public purse to have to do the right thing and keep them open till buyers can be found.

But.. now other care home providers are found to be in the same situation. If they fail.. The government of the UK will have to step in to safeguard the elderly and vulnerable.

Does the government need to babysit these firms and change the bedsheets of the directors who will just lose their job... Nothing to stop them moving onto another firm.

.... As it is.. You have more rights buying a kettle from Argos than being a resident in these care homes or indeed if your brand new home collapses from bad workmanship.

Our pensioners are told that the big power firms need to increase prices while already making record profits, leading to more "fuel poverty".

... Interesting history bit. One of the factors involved in the winning of WWI was the betting on the stock exchange in Wall Street on who would win. I imagine how pleased the Allied troops must have felt crossing no man's land, knowing that some some rich stockbroker just made a few thousand on how many of them will die that day.

Such is Capitalism.

Artful Dodger: Right.... That's why The UK has had to stop the bank system collapsing and millions of peoples savings lost of banks like the RBS. This would have had WORLD WIDE repercussions.

... the government didn't tell the bank to engage in a consortium to buy another bank. Nor did the government tell them to ignore warnings from their own people regarding the lack of full accounts, as it did not matter... The buying of the bank was already decided to go ahead regardless...

The billions of pounds that have gone on shoring up the financial system re RBS, Northern Rock and other banks... The loss that councils in the UK are reeling from due to banks in Europe that have collapsed taking investments with them..

.. it's all the governments fault. Banks and businesses do not in anyway have any influence on governments what so ever, or do they have the ability to run themselves.

..... Our governments do that... well in the UK at least.. 'own' many of them, or in principle the people do.

"Bank greed" ... ... That's the greed that cost the UK over £850,000,000,000

Übergeek 바둑이: I don't think we should bail out the banks. But the government created this mess and allowed the banks to take advantage stupid regulations. And clearly, there are some banks that deserve criminal prosecution.

Here's a story: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57336042/prosecuting-wall-street/?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

another is here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57336046-10391709/behind-the-financial-crisis-a-fraud-investigator-talks/?tag=contentBody;listingLeadStories

Some politicians need to see some jail time as well. But it will never happen.

Artful Dodger:

> And Europe is going broke. You can only give away so much money before you saturate the system. ... And the USA is heading that way fast.

I think the difference is that in some countries the government gives away the money to bankers, troubled giant corporations and the military industrial complex. The question is, what causes more problems? Giving money away through social programs? Or giving money away to the rich and powerful? As of last week, bankers have received bailouts twice! The only reason why the financial markets recovered last week is because in essence central bankers gave banks a second round of bailouts. The third is the charm I suppose. Next time they will be begging communist China to bailout the capitalist system!

Artful Dodger:
It is true that some policies have been counterproductive and some regulations made ineffective. That doesn't imply that there should be no regulations. Policies and regulations should make sense and regulations need to have "teeth" for enforcing them.
It's also true that credit unions have typically avoided the problems banks have had. The key there was how they were controlled and by whom.