I'd say that when someone tells you in a private fellowship that they ARE the QWERTY account, and then they send you a PM from the QWERTY, that is hardly speculation but is all the proof one needs. Unless of course you're not interested in getting at the truth.

I told you it's not a speculation. LJ told me and showed me he was using the QWERTY account. It's not my fault Fencer that you're too stubborn to believe the truth. Take it as friendly help

AD: I don't want to see these speculations on Tournaments board. Take is as a friendly warning.

I wonder if any of those winning pawn accounts are just like your phoney QWERTY account? My money is on you being at least one of those accounts.

Is there ONE player out there who would like to join our Tank Battle team ?
It doesn't matter how good you are, it can't do as i am playing LOL, lets just have some fun :o)
(only 18 mins left)

Over 60 players have already signed up for this tournament, it's going to be good!

Tournament: Battleboat Plus

Prize: 6 month knight membership (Fencer already has waiting for winner)

Format: 2 games per player since white does have an advantage

Pawns & Knights: Make sure you have 10 game slots available.

Time: 4 days per move

Start Time: September 15, 2004

Where to signup: SIGN UP HERE!

Other rules: have fun!

I realize that is how it works now, I am suggesting we change it so as not to hold up the tournaments unnecessarily.

grenv

Correct, 5 teams go through. Just waiting on one game. That game in theory could last another 8 turns each. Since it's a 3 day tournament that could be 48 days. Of course a nice long vacation could lengthen that.

How about just starting round 2 before the game finishes?

I can see 5 teams going through on the backgammon one

so who won if they can't be changed?

Same goes for the backgammon tournament. We already know the teams that have won, let's go on to the next round, since the remaining matches have no bearing on the result.

try if you can win.:)

Gawd, this will be a long tourny

one player still hasnt made a single move in it yet, (in any game) ,obviously going to leave moves till last minute each time. before you ask, yes, they have been on site, and are now too


Now tell me this will not ruin the fun of the tourny

It is a 2 way tie.

First, the team with the most points is the winner.

If there is a tie between point, then it moves to which has the most game wins.

It's probable not "yellowed" yet for the winners because Fencer not programed it to determin the winners yet - but that is just my guess since this is something new.

The other 2 sections still have games (even though we already know 2 teams from section 1, 2 teams from section 2, and 1 team from section 3 will move on.)

Those teams are:

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I am curious about the First Team Tournament.
Section 2 appears to be a 4 way tie. Will all 4 teams move on to round 2? (Nothing has been "yellowed" like in regular tournaments, to indicate the winner of the section) Or is there another method to decide ties? (Like S-B in regular tournaments)

lol I feel your pain rose. I didn't think I would like it at first but it's very fun!

Oooooh someone's addicted! ;-) LOL

Is it too soon to ask for a froglet team tourney? :-)

Yes, maybe that was it - multiple games in fellowship tournaments...

I don't think he changed that.

One things that was changed (from BK1.0 to BK2.0) was the ability to add multiply game types to a fellowship tournament, but you would have to have a team for that gamy type to add it.

Of corse if I BIG BOSS wanted to get around that, they could add a team, create a tournament, then remove the team and let the tournament go on. (Up to the 4th Backgammon tournament in my Battleboat fellowship!) :-)

lol...I just checked in my fellowship and it only let me add Spider Line4 (which is the only team). So apparantly it still is only tournaments with corresponding teams... :-)

I don't remember what I had changed. I have to look at the source code :-D

I thought you changed it so fellowship tournaments could be created with games that do not have the corresponding teams (ex: all games touranments)...

redsales: If you create tournaments within a fellowship, you must have corresponding teams first.

Fencer, I might be doing something wrong, but I just created a tourney for the Quick Players' Club fellowship, and I wasn't given the option to add the 3 new games. Is this a bug?

There are various reasons why there are 10000+ pawns and just 400 paid members. Mine is that I simply lack the free time to devote to all those nice features of a paid member. And I'm not even joking about it - the features ARE very compelling, but I'd need a few more than 24 hours in the day as well! I'll just stroll along on my free ride and its unavoidable limitations... Keep up the good work!

Upgrading to a higher membership level is much easier.

BIG BAD WOLF, the procedure is much simpler than that:

- Take the maximum number of players per section as designated by the tournament creator
- Take one away
- Multiply by the number of time each pair will play
- Voila, the absolute maximum number of slots needed!

Surely that maximum number of players per section is stored somewhere, the max slots needed is just (that number-1)x2, nothing computationally intensive! And this can be done before kicking players starts. If they simply do not have this necessary number of slots, EVEN if they might eventually need less, they are kicked! This way, we can be sure that people can continue playing to their maximum 20 slots all the time, not reserve extra slots that will NEVER be needed by a tournament...

But it is up to the tournament creator to pick either 5-max-per-section or up to 8-max-per-section.

By defualt, it is 8-max per section, so if the section is full of 8 people, 7 games will start for each player, but it still will only check if 5 are free.

I guess my point is why make it more dificult to program then just pick a middle ground like "5".

Plus Fencer has his point. If unhappy about how it is programmed, they they can always upgrade! :-)

I think the point was that even after the check the maximum spaces needed would be 8, since the maximum group size is 5.

In this case check for 8 spaces ahead of time, even though it's possible for the group to be smaller.

Since it is impossible that 10 spaces are required why check for them?

.... because it is easier to tell the computer to "Check for 5 free game slots" then to say:

Figure out sections, then see how many games will be created, then check to see if free spaces is availabel, then once players are kicked out figure out new section, then see how many games will be created, then start tournament.

<What I cannot understand is WHY restrict to 5/10 when NO MORE THAN 4/8 are needed in a 5-max-per-section tourney! Even if players are removed, surely NO section will exceed 5 players, right? If you tell me that there CAN be sections with >5 players in a 5-max-per-section, then we have a problem understanding what MAXIMUM means :)

It can actually work in your favor also. Since it is hard coded to only look for 5 free game slots (10 free game slots for 2-game tournaments), you could end up with as many as 7 games (or 14 games) started and will let you play over your 20 game limit!

I have a mathematics degree as well :-)
The answer is simple - since some players can be removed from a tournament during creating the sections, it is not possible to determine how many slots you will really need BEFORE the sections are generated. That's why there is the 5/10 slots rule. The second reason is to give pawns another reason why to upgrade to a higher level where this limit is no more applied.
Shortly - you are playing here for free, so you must accept all pros and cons. I see no reason why I should add more advantages to non-paying members.

OK, at the risk of sounding pedantic, here goes:

In a tournament, we have a maximum number of players per group, say MAXP. We also have a number of games to be played between any two players in the group, say NUMG. Each player in the group will play all the others - the number of opponents is therefore (MAXP - 1). Multiplying this number by NUMG, we get the total number of slots needed at the most for a tournament. Of course, if a group's number of player is less than MAXP, then they will actually need less.

If anyone offers a satisfactory explanation WHY in a 5-per-group 2-game tournament one needs 10 and not 8 slots as proved above, I will have to tear up my mathematics degree, as such explanation is bound to have any number of fatal flaws...

He did say "in one tournament of any game type" which does actually mean one total tournament, of any gametype.

whoops, thanks Harley... thats why I should leave these questions to you customer service people :)

Pawns can only play in one tournament. Its knights that can play in one game type (tournament) at a time.

BBW answered you well, as usual, but it looks to me like you wanted to know how to start a tournament.....

You have to upgrade your membership to do that, as pawns cannot create their own tournaments. Also, you can only play in one tournament of any game type at one time as a pawn too.

Since many team tournaments are currently on their way, why not create some more!

BBW's Team Tournament Wish List:

Battleboats Plus

Backgammon Race

Crowded Backgammon

Nackgammon

Crazy Screen Chess (LOW TEAM SIZE please!)

The above is MY wish list! :-)

Thanks BBW, I am already signed up in that one!!

because it was the "last day to sign up" - it is now started.

*shameless plug*

But if anyone else is looking for a prize tournament, check out This BattleBoat Plus Prize tournament - already almost 50 players signed up! It will be good. (And if you don't need a prize, sign up anyway to have more players in the tournament and then give the prize away if you win!) :-)

It appears they are set for playing already. I couldn't find a place to sign up so why did he post it here?

I'm sure it was a mistake - since by default when you create a new tournament, "All Games" is the choice. (I can't tell you how many of my "Fast Start" tournament I had first made as "all games" by accident)

BUT NOW (As of BK2.0) when you create a new tournament, it does not take you back to what you just created - but takes you back to the main tournament page, so it is easy to not see the mistake until it is too late and people have started to sign up.

And the only way to fix the mistake is to remove the whole tournament, and create a new tournament.

Kind of confusing if it is a stand a lone gammon tourney why put all other games in with it?

Don't trust those Canadians Fencer! After the exchange rate, that equal about a pack of gum and a flying squirl! :-)

Why not? I agree with 809 CAD :-)

It says in the name "Prize for Backgammon"...