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3. Febrero 2006, 08:03:14
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
KotDB: The solution is to play tournaments with multi-win matches. 1-win match is almost equivalent to a normal game but draws are not counted to the result.

3. Febrero 2006, 07:50:22
Peón Libre 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
Fencer: Agreed, but the point is that if the lower-rated player has the advantage in a tournament game, this creates an incentive for players to intentionally lose non-tournament games in order to improve their chances in the tournament.

3. Febrero 2006, 07:22:36
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
KotDB: Generally said, when you play in an elimination tournament, you should play to win, not to draw. Yes, it requires a more risky way of playing but that's just an attribute of this system.

3. Febrero 2006, 07:10:00
Thad 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
KotDB: But that would be harder to keep track of, harder to verify, & harder to code. ;-)

3. Febrero 2006, 00:50:56
Peón Libre 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
Fencer: In light of Andre Faria's comment, I think it would be better to use the value from the start of the game. Otherwise there may be a strong incentive for players to lose games.

2. Febrero 2006, 22:54:41
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: rabbitoid's idea
Thad: The BKR value at the moment of accepting the draw is always used.

2. Febrero 2006, 22:48:17
Thad 
Asunto: rabbitoid's idea
Just thinking here. If the lower seated player is to advance in the case of a draw, what happens if Al & Bob are playing a tournament match and Al is higher at the start, but then Al loses a regular game to Carl and his rating goes down to below what Bob's is. Al's was higher at the start of the match, but Bob's was higher at the end. So who advances?

Sorry, I don't have a good solution to this, just thought it should be brought up.

2. Febrero 2006, 19:29:50
Eriisa 
Asunto: Backgammon
Modificado por Eriisa (2. Febrero 2006, 19:30:26)
Single Elimination Backgammon #2

6 players still needed - Tourney starts 1 day 19 hours from now.

*added* but I will start it earlier when it fills up.

2. Febrero 2006, 18:18:43
Andre Faria 
Very fast 4 players elimination tournament here

2. Febrero 2006, 13:42:51
Doris 
Asunto: CONGRATULATIONS
Coudy for winning the tournament Backgammon & Hyper 2100+ First 8 (Hyper Backgammon)

2. Febrero 2006, 13:29:12
Andre Faria 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Modificado por Andre Faria (2. Febrero 2006, 15:20:03)
furbster: If it would be in a final, I could even lose a game on purpose, just to put my BKR lower, so I could win that tournament... :(

It seems to be that this is not a solution... Imagine a prize tourney being dependent of player's BKR...

2. Febrero 2006, 13:09:39
Lambik 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
furbster: Do not let them play against eachother in the first round. The player who beats the strongest player in the first round wins.

2. Febrero 2006, 13:06:48
furbster 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
rabbitoid: but what happens if the ratings are so close or even the same eg, 1501 : 1502

2. Febrero 2006, 12:53:33
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
rabbitoid: Yes, that's a good idea.

2. Febrero 2006, 12:37:50
Lambik 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
I played last month such a tournament and indeed if a low rated player draws a higher rated player, then the latter on losts. In the first rounds the rating differences were big, but the semi-final was close. (I was knocked out in the quarter final)

2. Febrero 2006, 12:34:22
Retep 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Thad: This isn't a problem that only occurs at single elimination unless you play 2 game matches in a normal tournament. By the way, if a game is too unfair (which Chess is certainly not) I wouldn't play it ;-)

2. Febrero 2006, 12:14:36
Thad 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
rabbitoid: That still leaves a problem in games line Pente where P1 enjoys a strong advantage. For average players, this doesn't really matter, but just as in Chess where strong play on both sides results in a draw, strong play by both sides will produce a win for P1.

2. Febrero 2006, 12:09:39
rabbitoid 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Fencer: instead of a "no draw" rule, which impossible to impose in chess, why not fix that in case of a draw the lower rated player stays?

2. Febrero 2006, 11:22:45
Jirik 

2. Febrero 2006, 09:12:39
Peón Libre 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Luke Skywalker:
I would expect only one, or possibly two if a single-elimination tournament can be defined with two games between each pair of opponents.

But I've observed that the number of slots they tell you to need often has little or nothing to do with the number of slots you actually need. Caveat emptor.

2. Febrero 2006, 09:11:37
Good Luck :)FLR 
Asunto: single elimination and draws
i believe it will be unwise to make single elimination tourney for games boards(chess or checkers) because the possibilities to have draws are high especially on the final rounds unless is used the bkr :)

2. Febrero 2006, 09:09:41
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Luke Skywalker: Game slots are not used for single elimination tournaments. Because you'll never play more than 1 game at the same moment.

2. Febrero 2006, 09:09:01
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: Single elimination
Lambik: I might change it.

2. Febrero 2006, 09:00:52
Luke Skywalker 
Asunto: single elimination
how many game slots will pawns and knights need for this kind of tournament?

2. Febrero 2006, 08:50:00
Lambik 
Asunto: Single elimination
Modificado por Lambik (2. Febrero 2006, 08:50:20)
Fencer: With single elimination, it is not possible to "draw" a game. But how about games that could not be won? For example a chess game with not enough material (K+N+N against K for example) or what about the fifty moves rule? Some time ago I had a game with three times the same position, but no automatic draw. Is this doable?

1. Febrero 2006, 21:24:23
Antje 
The Sunshine Club has lots of new tournaments, and some Ponds, for anyone interested!


http://brainking.com/en/ShowFellowship?fid=41

1. Febrero 2006, 19:16:46
Eriisa 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Fencer: oh cool!

I didn't realize that they will start as filled! That is awesome!!!!

1. Febrero 2006, 19:08:45
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Luke Skywalker: Yes, this is a known issue. A side effect of new features :-)

1. Febrero 2006, 17:35:46
Eriisa 
Asunto: Single elimination backgammon
Modificado por Eriisa (1. Febrero 2006, 17:37:45)
I have 2 tourneys set up. Lets try them out!


Single Elimination Backgammon
(set up for 4 players each....)
# Backgammon
# Nackgammon
# Crowded Backgammon
# Hyper Backgammon

Single Elimination Backgammon #2
16 players needed

1. Febrero 2006, 16:46:09
furbster 
Asunto: Re: single elimination
Luke Skywalker: very good point, in fact i've just been looking for it, adn i decided it'd been deleted since my lunchbreak.

1. Febrero 2006, 16:44:26
Luke Skywalker 
Asunto: single elimination
this tourney
http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13412&trnst=0
has already started, but not enough people have singed up for some of the games. When the tourn was still in the "signed" state, it stated a deadline of 29 days until those would be deleted.
2 problems:
- the deadline is not stated now
- the tourn is not listed in the "signed" category anymore, so people probably won't find it and won't know that they still can sign up for it.

1. Febrero 2006, 16:39:37
furbster 

1. Febrero 2006, 14:13:39
Fencer 

1. Febrero 2006, 11:06:37
plaintiger 
Asunto: Re:
Fencer: aha! you clever devil! (and excellent coder, i might add! ;)

1. Febrero 2006, 10:44:25
Fencer 
Asunto: Re:
plaintiger: It is currently disabled because I need to test it first. But I'll enable it soon (by uncommenting one line in the source code ).

1. Febrero 2006, 10:31:01
plaintiger 
question: how does one *start* a tournament with an entry fee? i don't see any options for it in the tournament setup pages. thanks...

1. Febrero 2006, 10:20:04
Retep 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
Fencer: Oh, then I misunderstood this ;) By the way, it's nice to see the tournaments marked after joining.

1. Febrero 2006, 10:13:28
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
Retep: It was just an example. Nobody says the prize must be always only 25%. The tournament I've just created has 40% prize for the winner.

1. Febrero 2006, 09:47:39
Fencer 
Doesn't matter.

1. Febrero 2006, 09:45:29
Retep 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
Modificado por Retep (1. Febrero 2006, 09:45:44)
I agree with arpa, that's very "unpleasant"! This:

# The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee. Players are informed about this status on the tournament page. #

means a prize tournament can't be started with less than 8 players.

31. Enero 2006, 23:17:18
arpa 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
Modificado por arpa (31. Enero 2006, 23:18:09)
Fencer: 1) tomorrow? i don't know this! wonderful!

2) oops ... i change that word in "unpleasant" ok?

31. Enero 2006, 23:04:59
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
arpa: Why don't you wait for tomorrow? The S-B is already fixed, it just needs to be uploaded.
Btw, I don't like the word "stealing".

31. Enero 2006, 23:01:34
arpa 
Asunto: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
see Help page

8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee

instead of .... The tournament will not be started until the first prize reaches at least a double of the entry fee.

8 players it's the same.

same page ....The tournament is defined with these prizes: 25% to the winner, 10% to the second place and 5% to the third place....

I think 60% "loss" is an stealing ... 20% are reasonable (50% 20% 10%).

NECESSARY REWIEW S-B CALCULATION (today are incorrect)!!! see(for example):

http://senseis.xmp.net/?SonnebornBerger

31. Enero 2006, 22:27:09
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: help 8.6.2) Prize tournaments with an entry fee
arpa: Huh?

31. Enero 2006, 10:29:07
Nirvana 
Asunto: Join in!

30. Enero 2006, 06:12:58
ScarletRose 
Asunto: Congrats to imsoaddicted for being #1
at Dark Battleboats in the tourney Scarlets Springtime Follies".


30. Enero 2006, 03:14:06
Czuch 
Asunto: Do you like spiders?
Sider line 4 first 8 to sign, two games each, under 2000 rating.


http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=13388&tri=83887&trnst=0

29. Enero 2006, 15:10:44
Fencer 
Asunto: Re: Moving tournaments aloong
Walter Montego: I am not working on it. But I plan to do so.

29. Enero 2006, 14:38:51
Walter Montego 
Asunto: Re: Moving tournaments aloong
Fencer: This will be a very good improvement. I'm glad you're working on it. Good luck.

29. Enero 2006, 12:51:23
Eriisa 
Congrats to CameronsDad for winning Speed Gammon #2's Backgammon Race!

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