(V): Power , it's as simple as that.

The Col: Not very Christian placing power on Earth over ya so called 'christian values' is it!!

.. It's not a new idea though.

(V): They figure Romney will forward their agenda when he gets elected anyway.McCain had a backbone and wouldn't be as likely to cave to their wishes in regards to "personhood" and the outlawing of abortion nationwide.

The Col: Really... how? And isn't that a bit hypocritical... small government, yet you are now wanting to use government to ban abortions!! Even at a state level that's hypocritical.

"McCain had a backbone and wouldn't be as likely to cave to their wishes in regards to "personhood" and the outlawing of abortion nationwide."

And what if a visitor arrives from another country, gets raped by a US citizen, ends up in hospital for months and wants to abort, let alone their own women.

(V): Abortion will be outlawed even in instances of rape or incest, it is in the Republican platform

The Col: When is it ok to kill a baby in the womb?

Artful Dodger: Ending a pregnancy brought about by rape and incest is a good idea, no?

The Col: You're not ending a pregnancy. You are taking the life of a baby in the womb. So just to be clear, you agree that killing a baby in the womb is justified if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest?

What other situation do you agree where killing the unborn baby in the womb is acceptable?

Artful Dodger: Do you agree a woman should be forced to carry to term a child from rape or incest?
I also agree in ending the pregnancy if the life of the mother is in danger

The Col: You haven't answered my original question. You only asked a question in return. We'll get to your questions after you've answered mine. It seems that your position is that abortion is wrong unless it's for the life of the mother or in the case of rape and incest. Is that your position? You oppose abortion in all other instances?

The Col: I know.... but getting it through!!

I hope they are willing to cover the extra cost that the ER, doctors and hospitals will find themselves spending to help the sick women that result from driving abortions underground.

... But it just about the perceived Bible interpretation being right!! Can't waste semen, as it is all that is needed to create life.

egg, womb, women.. irrelevant.

(V): Yes, the masturbation police will be combing the country

The Col: Then what. Back to no condoms??

Good way to increase the US death rates.

(V): For someone who does not believe in God, you seem strangely interested in what He does or doesn't do. I've seen this with other atheists, and it doesn't make sense. When I was an atheist, it never occurred to me that I should be concerned about a God that doesn't exist. I wasn't worried about Christians, because for the most part I could see them practicing what they preached. I could be among them, and even argue with them, but I never perceived them as any kind of threat.

On the other hand, if I was among other atheists I quickly learned not to argue with any of them, because if I did it could get ugly and sometimes even unsafe.

It's a little disconcerting when people are promoting peace in a violent way, and I know that at any moment it could spill over to where I am standing. That was a never a problem when I was among Christians. So you can point and cry out "hypocrite" all you want, it doesn't matter to me. I learned a long time ago how hypocrites behave.

Iamon lyme: Jules likes to bash Christians and so does the Col. And if one Christian does it, or one Christian organization does it, they lump them altogether. Such deep thinkers.

Artful Dodger: Why don't you grow a pair, and speak directly to me if you are going to mention me in a comment?

The Col: Aren't Christians allowed to challenge dogma? I was taught I could!!