Bry:Agree as well as but you forgot about the no days off rule.

Bry: Well I would hate to see a rule in place where if I'm between the choices of (1) Login on and getting a little caught up or (2) don't log on at all and get further behind - I would hate to see a rule which forces option 2 of people.

having said that, if something was put into place, I have plenty of other sites I can visit during those times - but would hate to be forced to do that.

Czuch Chuckers: Totally agree. A vacation day should only "kick" in when you have not been online that day....

I apprecite BBW's point..... but if you cannot guarantee to be on every day.... u shouldn't enter 1 day tournaments.....

Stevie: I agree 100%! If you can find time to come on this site you should not have the luxury of auto vacation. Maybe in BBWs example, he could just set a vacation for that day. But this is first and foremest a game playing site, and he should make his first priority making moves in a game, not checking messages. It gets infuriating when people start more games than they can keep up with, and they will be here for hours and only play on the discussion boards and fellowships when hey have games ready to time out. But I guess people can use their vacation days anyway they choose to, and we do have the option of only playing in games that dont allow vacations, so we wont have to worry about people like that!

Or reduce moving weekend days one time per month .

BIG BAD WOLF: We should have vacation days. Maybe we should get rid of weekend days, or reduce the weekend days to one day instead. Or we could count weekend days that are actually used against timeouts as a vacation day used...

Stevie: I would hate to see a restriction of not being able to use vacation days if someone is on-line. I know for example when I go on vacation to my sister-in-law's house, all they have is a VERY slow dial up connection available from their house - in which I get board there and do get on-line, and try to come here to check messages and such - but would almost be impossible for me to keep up with my games, hence a vacation day. if a restriction like that is put into place, it would stop me from even being able to check in and at least stay caught up with my messages.

Stevie: And why do you think they take such a hard work if they wouldn´t know they have unsporting advantage? They can win games and even tournaments witout knowing the game at all, just making their opponents leave the site in boredom (specially newcomers -Pawns, who have limited spots for games-) and drop their games.

I still reckon if someone has been online during a certain day, then later in the same day,, they should not be saved by auto vacation.. that is really annoying

Fencer: Yes! And if you need some ideas, just count on us, we´re ready to help you making this one the best site on the net!!!

The vacation system needs to be rewritten a little anyway.

Walter Montego: Another good point, my friend. By the way, as emmet has reportedd there´s a bug somewhere as I have a player timing out 9 games a day everyday since a month ago, and he has still 19 vacation days left, unchanged for past 4 days...and you know...whenever unsporting players detecct a bug they will exploit it to gain more and more advantage (by the way that player has 1268 games running, how many stairs is he blocking?)

Walter Montego: One should have to decide to be on vacation or not. A day, during which one makes a move in any game, never could be a vacation day. I feel frustrated, when opponents are playing other games, while mine would be delayed by automatic vacation.

BIG BAD WOLF: Yes, I want to do it as you write.

tenuki: Also, I have some spots left if you'd like to get some side games going whlie waiting for the tournaments to start in April. :)

tenuki: J'yes, j'yes, a right mighty fine thing there, but just how in the hell will it be policed? Sure I've had a problem or two getting online, but I move lots more regularly than those that're holding up some tournaments I'm involved in. Yes, I know you're not complaining about me and when I make a move, but this is just an example. One thing to keep in mind about "Automatic Vacation" is the time of year. You know how people and human nature are. When there's a surplus, they figure they have plenty of days to move and don't worry about a day or two going off their list. Later in the year the games move or time out in ways the just don't happen in February. Just ask Pythagoras is you need conformation of this phenomenon. :) He's not necessarily been moving with alacrity of late, but he's not let weeks go by any more either. :)

SG1fan: I´m not talking about you or all the people who really needs them from time to time, due to an accident or the like...I´m talking about those who use it with the only porpouse to delay games, bore people, win undeserved games, sink the site, etc... Perhaps could it be given ONLY on THESE special cases like yours, REAL vacations, you-name-it, etc and making it ¨not-so-automatic vacations¨?

tenuki: There are also many tournament options which do not use vacations, so those might also be a good choice to avoid people who take advantage of them.

It has been suggested, and I was thinking Fencer liked the idea of possible having a limit of 5 automatic vacation days being taken in one span. (A person going on vacation can choose more then 5 days, but would only stop the auto-vacations from being used for more then 5 days).

playBunny: If superb wine is poisoned and kills, I would prefer water.

tenuki: Well, I am thankful to have the automatic vacation feature. My hard-drive died a bit over a month ago, and I had very limited access to internet, an hour every few days. So only had time to play games I would time out in.

Having automatic vacation meant that the majority of my games didn't time-out, and I am busy catching up again, now I have a hard-drive again.

I agree some abuse the system, but others like me, genuinely need/needed to use the automatic vacation. I love playing here, and worked hard to get my ratings. I would not like to lose what I have gained, if no automatic vacation time.

Jo

tenuki: You'd have to propose the replacement scheme first. Don't throw away the wine if you haven't got the champagne yet. And make sure it's not cheap champagne replacing superb wine. ;-)

tenuki: Yes. Deactivate automatic vacation.
I just submitted a bug report on this situation, but it is probably a vacation issue. In a tournament with a five day per move limit, weekends off, my opponent has not moved in 13 days. With the weekend here, I'm sure I won't see a move for at least another two. It's too bad, because this involves a tournament, and in this situation a tournament could last over a year.

tenuki: I use it, I don't abuse it, and I like it.

Hey friends! What do you think about automatic vacations? Don´t you feel too many players use them to receive unsporting advantage (cheating?), and in that way tournaments last eons, Stairs are stopped and too many players (specially newcomers) are disappointed with the site and leave, making as all to lose a potential opponent and friend? Don´t you all think it should be deactivated? At least until a less nocive feature could be deviced and implemented...

alanback: I agree, just wondering why you
don't appear taking that advice, on the backgammon
board for instance, which I use to watch because I am
interested in the game. Brainking is certainly a very
good bickering server, with moderators playing a major
role themselves. I wholeheartedly agree with Marfitalu,
told him in our games that I fear to get between the
bulldozers living out their importance here and decide
only in line with their favoritism.
What happened now that I dared, is not much better,
my question about playing here was simply buried. :-(

Thank you guys... hmmmmmm Too bad!

Radiant Aunt: Aye, that'll be because there's a limit of two per person.

Radiant Aunt: you cant . you are already the big boss of two fellowships ,thats the limit for members

How can I create a new Fellowship? When i go to the Fellowship page there is nothing that tells me i can create one...??

harley: But you all claim not to be gods so what would be the use?

emmett: Very good advice.

harley: go to the global mods ... you're joking aren't you!

Marfitalu: The moderators on general chat decided that a subject was too sensitive to be discussed there. It was upsetting for many people. Debate about how right or wrong that decision was, or how it was enforced, is certainly off topic here and likely to lead back to the original discussion which is sensitive on ANY board.

I still suggest that anyone wishing to continue with that discussion do so at the specially formed yahoo group and any complaints of moderator actions be dealt with in he correct way which is contacting a global mod.
Anyone just wanting to complain because their posts were deleted might find solace in a fellowship somwewhere. The 'gripes' board at the flame pit springs to mind.

If you have any objections to the way a mod acted, PM a global mod who will look at it. This really isn't the board to discuss it in depth.

blazeinshore, Lamby: I'm all in favour of censorship in this matter. I think it was in very poor taste bringing forward a half-baked set of allegations and circumstantial evidence.

My objection regarding the censorship is about the manner in which it was carried out.

I agree, the censorship is utterly disgraceful on Gen Chat, so much so that the Gen Chat board may aswell not exist.
The subject which was being discussed was very valid and everyone should be allowed an opinion on it.
I feel this site is becoming one huge joke!
I feel so sorry for Fencer with all his hard work, he's made this a great place, but unfortunately too many idiots have spoilt it for alot of people!

playBunny: On this one we actually agree. My husband and I tend to do 'file' and 'save as' and save the complete web page in html, so that we still have a record of everyone's postings once they have vanished into thin air. Handy if you need to take them to an un-censored venue :)

harley: It's very simple in my view. Hiding and giving yourself time to deal with the people who write messages is far superior to a mass deleting of the messages and ignoring the people who wrote them. Bad decisions were most certainly made.

The effort that goes into a post doesn't matter? Please, feel free to spend a couple of hours on a post and then watch as it gets thrown away without you being given a copy, in fact without you even being informed. Would you then agree or would you be asking why you weren't simply put on hide?

How many of those people who think Jason was right actually had their work destroyed? Yes, work.

Mods normally do message the person if they delete a post, but general chat has been pretty busy today so the mod there didn't have time to message everyone.

The subject was asked not to be discussed there because its upsetting for many people. Once that was asked people should have stopped posting, and any posts made after the mod said 'stop' should be, and were, deleted. The effort going into typing them isn't really an issue for the mod, just how appropriate the post is.

Jason had a very difficult job today with some tough decisions. I realise many feel he made wrong choices but just as many think he was right. Its not as simple as right or wrong in this case.

The moderators there are deleting posts without regard to the effort going into typing and the posts do follow the discussion board's guidelines. Jason says he deleted them because we were told to not talk about a certain subject any more, but then he blanket deletes them all. I had posted a few about a completely different topic and they were deleted also.

Just what's the deal? We are told to take it to that board and then we are told to stifle once we move it there?

And let's take a look at how that General Chat board is moderated. There's six moderators! Any one of them can delete anything unilaterly. Just what kind of a system is this? Only one moderator should have that power, this rest should just have the power to hide. And not a blanket hide either, but of each individual post. Six moderators! Ludicrous! The other five had already left the posts and some had responded. Then ol' Jason wakes up, bores of the subject, justifies his action because of the aforementioned warning and deletes them all. This is not right! Why should anyone participate in a public discussion board if their writing can be summonarily deleted at the whim of any person? If there's going to be so many moderators then all of them should need to form a concensus before deleting posts.

Just because a moderator bores of a subject or doesn't want to hear about is no reason to delete. A moderator's job is to keep the discussion on topic, without profanity, or racial epitats. That board is general chat. This means all subjects are on topic. So why do we have to have so many moderators there? One is all you need. None of my posts had any rude words in it. Statements and questions, that's it. Someone doesn't like them, too bad. I didn't write anything personal except about my own feelings. Why should I have to suffer at the hands of a lazy person that can't even take a tenth of the time to send me a message about his concerns compared to the time it took me to compose what I posted? Inconsideration is what it is.

Thank you Marfitalu & Luke Skywalker :-)

Radiant Aunt: It's the "What is new" link in the menu, just above the profile

On which board can i read the server news?

Pedro Martínez: Yes it's highly irritating, he never moves with me until the games are down to at least an hour

But why isn't the game time suspended when the server doesn't serve?

Anencephal: Get used to that. Fungame changes his weekend days every week in order to prolong his games as much as possible. I recommend not to start any games with this sick guy.

Anencephal: i believe you can change them once a week

Is it possible to avoid timeouts with changing weekend days?

I had some games with a player which his days were sunday and monday on monday, no timeout
And now they are tuesday and wednesday, no timeout again!

Looks like we both moved at the same time. I just took longer to change screens.


Might I say we are on the same wavelength?

Eriisa: If you checked the event history I already banned him.