Artful Dodger: I watched that clip where one abortion survivor talks about it. For someone to understand they were not wanted is difficult enough, but having to live with the knowledge their mother wanted them dead seems almost unimaginable. In situations like that, learning to forgive does more for the one who does the forgiving than for the people being forgiven... but in the long run I believe it works out better for all concerned.

Artful Dodger: Regardless... you can't dictate by law if someone can or cannot have an abortion. It's like when being gay was illegal...

... I still remember Rock Hudson being such a macho man in films!!

(V): Killing the unborn is not the answer. There is no question about the fact that a human being, innocent of any wrong doing, is being killed simply for the convenience of another. Arguments for abortion run from the simplistic to the complex but in every case, they attempt to justify the killing of a vulnerable, innocent, human being.

Artful Dodger: The figures show that there are not enough families wanting to adopt now, for every family/parent wishing to adopt there are 2.5 times as many children waiting.. sometimes for years.

The figures also show that children who have a disability are far more unlikely to be adopted.

So in the end, the state is having to pay for foster care for years, and you want to add more into the system.

Many families think about adoption, not many actually go through to actually adopting.

ketchuplover:

voted yesterday

It happened on 9/11 ... of THIS year.

Iamon lyme: Hillary is such an idiot. She says that the reasons for such attacks are complicated matters and one shouldn't cherry pick at reasons (yeah, like she cherry picked that it was all about a stupid video). What an incompetent fool.

(V): The life of the mother is the only exception I'd make.

And to the baby being killed, I suspect they'd feel the mother's reasons are trivial. What possible reason could a woman have to abort a human being (killing it) other than trivial reasons?

The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work
or ability to care for dependents (74%); -- this is a trivial reason for killing a human being. Give the child up for adoption. It's a human life for God's sake!

that she could not afford a baby now (73%); -- trivial-this is no reason to kill an innocent human being. And that 73% can find plenty of financial help for pre and postnatal care AND adoption is always an option. We don't kill our children because they are costly.

and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). -- Apparently these women haven't heard of adoption...another trivial selfish reason.

Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, --trivial - it's too late once you're pregnant. Have the baby and give it up for adoption. The alternative is to kill it.

and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. -- then don't have sex duh. Again, adoption. Killing the unborn is NOT the answer for ANY reason except for the life of the mother. And then it's the mother's decision. But aborting your child because you'll miss a year of school? Trivial, shameful, and barbaric.

The Col: Well you're welcome. Nice of you to notice.

When will the press and the Democratic party wake up and smell the coffee? Do they really not know how this can come back to bite them?

Do they have any idea of how they are screwing up any chance of Hillary becoming the nations first woman president in 2016?

I guess not.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

Mr Stevens had been on a visit to Germany, Austria and Sweden and had just returned to Libya when the Benghazi trip took place with the US embassy's security staff deciding that the trip could be undertaken safely......

.......In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."

Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

Mr Stevens, it is believed, was left in the building by the rest of the staff after they failed to find him in dense smoke caused by a blaze which had engulfed the building. He was discovered lying unconscious by local people and taken to a hospital, the Benghazi Medical Centre, where, according to a doctor, Ziad Abu Ziad, he died from smoke inhalation.

The Benghazi story is not going away.

The president did know about a planned attack BEFORE it happened. And he received the correct intellegence info about the attack soon AFTER it happened.

Hillary asked the Libyan government permission for fly overs BEFORE it happened. The Libyan leadership knew it was coming, so they gave permission for fly overs and for extra security and any other precautions we needed to take to insure the safety of our people... but OUR president said no.

Both Hillary and Obama knew about a planned attack before it happened, and both of them knew why there was an attack after it happened. Both of them KNEW it did not happen because of a protest over a youtube video. They knew from the start this wasn't true, and now we know this wasn't true... so what are they saying about it now?

Artful Dodger: Well then, to save the mother.. an abortion is needed?

Like in most ectopic pregnancies. Except for a small number of cases, it is fatal for the mother to attempt to carry the baby to term. If your law was in place, both mother and baby die. Your morals therefore kills two innocents. Unfortunately, ectopic pregnancies are a fact of life and you cannot dispute how serious the health risks are.

"The vast majority of abortions are done for trivial reasons."

I doubt such a choice is taken as being a trivial matter by those involved.

Artful Dodger: Bush's fault? No, Bush was just the fall guy for someone who came earlier. If you trace it back far enough you will find it was actually FDR's fault... but FDR wasn't acting alone, there were shadowy figures in the background whispering in his ear and telling him what to do.

Artful Dodger: re: " The vast majority of abortions are done for trivial reasons"

We are so privileged to have an expert on the subject

(V): I never said I'd let the mom die. That would violate the principle I just laid out. The vast majority of abortions are done for trivial reasons.

Artful Dodger: Avoiding .. .. or dodging!!

So.. you'd let the mum die just to have the kid... One innocent dies, one lives. It's not a perfect world.

"It's morally wrong to kill an innocent human being."

So why no gun control?

(V): It's morally wrong to kill an innocent human being.
The unborn are innocent human beings.
It's immoral to kill them.
Abortion kills them.
Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.

Artful Dodger: It is bs until the foetus reaches a certain age of development, which is 24 weeks. Before that the brain has no connections to be able to feel pain, nor does the baby have the capability of being concious.

After 24 weeks the baby is in a chemical environment in the uterus, that induces a continuous sleep-like unconsciousness or sedation. But that only applies to late abortions for basically saving the woman's life, or if scans show up serious abnormalities.

That is.. how it is in the UK.

what happens in your mind if by chance you hit a no win situation?

... If the mother has the baby, the mother dies. The only option is an abortion. One will dies either way!!

Iamon lyme: I think the video was bush's fault.

I would like to know whose brilliant idea it was to blame the Benghazi attack on a youtube video. Was that Obama's idea, or was it someone else who came up with that idea? I wonder who (if anyone) will take "credit" for that one?

By the way, when I said the president was a quick study I meant after the fact. He learns very quickly how bad an idea is after he tries it out, but it appears he still hasn't figured out how to anticipate real world consequences.

rod03801: we are pawns!

Artful Dodger: I guess I always wonder how much of it is because THEY TELL US so many states are "decided". You know?

rod03801: It's funny how the battle for President really comes down to just a few states. Like I told a friend today, it won't matter who you vote for for President. I'll probably write myself in or maybe donald duck.

Artful Dodger: My state is a "swing state"... which is funny because we don't have many electoral votes

rod03801: well so far in his life, everything he's touched has turned to gold. I suspect he'll do great things for the US - after he fixes the mess Obama has made. What a terrible experiment he's been!

Artful Dodger: I'm so excited for 2 weeks from tonight! It could be an edge of the seat night. However, if momentum keeps up, it could be less stressful than it would have seemed a month ago.

I fear 4 more years of the jerk. I personally don't even think its just incompetence. I don't even think he has our best interests in mind.
But I guess that's a bit controversial.
I honestly feel if he gets 4 more years, it could be the end of our great country as we know it. Or so far down the tubes that it would take a miracle to reverse it.

Heck, maybe even Romney can't fix it. He wasn't MY first choice, that's for sure. Hopefully we can get as many conservatives in the House and Senate as possible to give him an easy road to success.

Iamon lyme: hmmmm, maybe more will leave again! lol

Artful Dodger: Remember when Canada was invaded by liberals "escaping" the US when Reagan was first elected? I remember reading a story about a farmer finding a bunch of them sleeping in his field. Our press had already done a fine job of scaring the crap out of those folks, so no one was too surprised by this mass exodus.

http://newsninja2012.com/charles-krauthammer-its-unequivocal-mitt-romney-won/

Iamon lyme: I'll be so glad when it's over. If Obama wins, I'm going underground. cuz the USA will go quickly down the

http://newsninja2012.com/say-what-nbcs-chuck-todd-fact-checks-obamas-bayonets-line/


ahahah they still use bayonets in combat. AND horses too!

BIG Obama blunder

In 1984 Reagan carried 49 states and got 58.8 % of the popular vote. Oregon and Washington gave their votes to Reagan that time as well.

It was a landslide RE-election.

England’s Take On Final Debate – Romney won the presidential debate by looking presidential
Obama And Romney Spar In Final Debate Before Presidential Election
October 23, 2012 2012 Presidental Debates, Barack Obama, Election 2012, Mitt Romney

Romney won the third presidential debate – and how he did it was encapsulated in a single exchange. The candidates were discussing military spending and Romney had just accused Obama of making harmful cutbacks. The President wheeled out what must have seemed like a great, pre-planned zinger: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed.” The audience laughed, Obama laughed, I laughed. It was funny.

Defeated?

But here’s why it was also a vote loser. For a start, Twitter immediately lit up with examples of how the US Army does still use horses and bayonets (horses were used during the invasion of Afghanistan). More importantly, this was one example of many in which the President insulted, patronised and mocked his opponent rather than put across a constructive argument. His performance was rude and unpresidential. Obama seemed to have a touch of the Bidens, wriggling about in his chair, waving his hands dismissively and always – always – smirking in Romney’s direction. By contrast, Romney sucked up the abuse and retained a rigid poker face all night. He looked like a Commander in Chief; Obama looked like a lawyer.

Artful Dodger: Here it is Reagan carried 44 states (out of 57) and got 50.7% of the popular vote. Both Oregon and Washington gave their electoral votes to Reagan. Wow. So it IS possible (not impossible) that Oregon could do it again. Only have to wait two more weeks to see what happens.

TGI almost November.

According to the official U.S. Marine Corps website, every Marine is STILL required to complete a bayonet training program … because “the weapon becomes just as effective [as a rifle] in close combat situations.”

We spoke with Dan Riker from Bayonet Inc. — a leading military surplus outlet that specializes in bayonets — who tells us he believes Obama’s comment was “ignorant … because our soldiers still use bayonets.”

He adds, “[Bayonets] are still distributed to the military all the time — he should get educated on it”

Gee, the Rasmussen poll has Romney up 4 points.

Iamon lyme: Washington usually votes towards the Democrats in national elections. Same with Minnesota and Wisconsin. But Wisconsin has a conservative governor so who knows. Minnesota is a strange bird. They lover their liberals. Washington loves the liberals except for those on the eastern side who are mostly conservative and independents. But not enough of them to matter.

I'm voting yes for charter schools this year. Competition is good.

Artful Dodger: This morning I learned my state went from "safe" (electoral votes secure for Obama) to "leaning towards" (Obama). Oregon has always (in my memory) thrown its support to the Democratic candidate. We were one of the few states who supported Carter's re-election. I'm not sure if Washinton was one of those few states or not, but I wouldn't bet against that. I'll have to look this up to be certain of it, but I think only three states gave their electoral votes to Carter. (Carter vs Reagan)

Iamon lyme: Mitt will continue to surge in the polls. ;)