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14. February 2009, 02:15:57
The Usurper 
Subject: Stimulus Bill
Rushed through and Congress didn't read final draft. Sure, that's what happened. Giveaway? You bet. Do we have representation in Congress? Surely not.

Yet, you guys are still in the Matrix. For example, same way with the Patriot Act, a far more damaging bill to our Constitution and the "freedom" you all seem to think the Repugs support. Draft was hot off the press, no one had time to read it.

And since when did the Repugs not take your money? They rob from the poor and give to the rich. I don't expect most of you to be able assimilate this fact in brains under the influence of Fox News.

Yes, old politics. From both parties. And they've sure got you boys trained like pet puppies.

14. February 2009, 02:59:27
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Modified by Papa Zoom (14. February 2009, 03:06:16)
The Usurperdon't expect most of you to be able assimilate this fact in brains under the influence of Fox News.

Yes, old politics. From both parties. And they've sure got you boys trained like pet puppies.

And here I thought you said you were above throwing insults?  Guess not.  I'll bet you get a pass tho.  So much for:  "........my (your) attempt to keep this debate civil. In my (your)
opinion, it is too important to be approached in any other way."

Approached any other way except in some cases you mean. 



14. February 2009, 03:29:22
The Usurper 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Artful Dodger: Your first quote: "in brains under the influence of Fox News," is strictly accurate and not ad hominem insult.

Your second quote, "you boys trained like pet puppies", is ad hominem and you are correct. I'll have to watch myself. :o)

14. February 2009, 03:39:20
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
The Usurper:  You're wrong.  They are both insulting and ad hominem.  Whenever you argue "to the man" that's an ad hominem.  Saying one's brain is under the influence of Fox is another way of saying one doesn't think for  him or herself.  You didn't address the issues,  addressed the person. 

And perhaps you can explain to everyone here how the first insult is "strictly accurate."  How can you possibly know?  To whom are you addressing this insult (since you seem to be generalizing it to all repubs)?  You can't have your cake and eat it too Greg.  Ad hominem is to the man.  That is what you did in both cases.  Man up.

14. February 2009, 03:39:09
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Artful Dodger: OOPS......didn't read your posts first LOL.....we both picked up on the same things LOLOL

14. February 2009, 03:40:22
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Bernice:  I'll bet we don't hear from those that took me to task for my posts.  Wanna bet? 

14. February 2009, 03:42:09
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Artful Dodger:

14. February 2009, 03:45:32
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
Bernice: I think I'll give a lesson on ad hominem since I seem to be the resident expert on it.  ;)

14. February 2009, 03:37:54
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Stimulus Bill
The Usurper: tch tch.....did I see a "nasty" or two from you.....thought you were above that

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