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11. February 2012, 12:36:32

Übergeek 바둑이

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Subject: Re: At the moment we need a mix of energy supplies to be realistic. More green definitely, but until we have battery systems that can store green energy at a sufficient level, we need other sources.

Modified by Übergeek 바둑이 (11. February 2012, 12:37:34)

Artful Dodger:

> Fossil fuels can be harvested efficiently and cleanly.

You are echoing the oil industry propaganda machine. The oil industry is neither efficient nor clean. Look at some photographs by artist Edard Burtynsky. He photographs the reality that the oil industry does not want end consumers to see.

http://www.edwardburtynsky.com/

Look at his works under "Oil".

This one is here in Alberta where I live. The Keystone pipeline is supposed to bring oil from here to the USA. This placed used to be a virgin boreal forest over bogs and ponds. Is this picture "clean and efficient"?

http://www.edwardburtynsky.com/WORKS/Oil/Oil_Book_Large/EXTRACTION_and_REFINEMENT/016-OLF_ALB_07_07_Oil.html

Every year migratory birds land in the tailings ponds and get covered in oil and toxic waste. We need oil, but that is not an excuse to be chanting praises of "clean and efficient" for the oil industry.

11. February 2012, 17:56:34

Papa Zoom

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Übergeek 바둑이: I didn't say fossil fuels ARE harvested efficiently and clean, I said it can be done. And it can.