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11. August 2009, 17:42:32
Übergeek 바둑이 
Subject: Small government? Does it exist?
I have been reading some posts about "small government". Of course, a look at any industrialized (or for that matter most developing) countries today will show that small government is a myth in the sense that all modern governments have enourmous bureacratic structures designed to manage just about every aspect of essential economic and social services. In most industrialized countries the government is the biggest employer and in North America millions of people earn a living working for the government. Many people who don't work for the government work in companies that have contracts providing products or services for the government.

I noticed that people who take a stand against "big government" sometimes do it because they want to see the government shrink and provide citizens with "tax breaks". Sarah Palin is a good example. In some of her speeches she lauds small government and tax breaks. I will not generalize about Republicans (or Conservatives in Canada and the UK) but sometimes I hear similar rethoric from "right wing" parties.

I have been looking for statistics that clearly show whether smaller government indeed is more efficient. I think the problem is that "small government" is a relative term. Most western governments today have more cumbersome bureacracies than governments 50 or 100 years ago, and comparing rates of economic growth might not be possible. A more fair comparison might be "economic stability", meaning how well our modern, larger governments cope with an economic crisis.

As for Socialism, it is a relative term. Today we have a centralized banking system with laws and regulations enforced by a central government agency that imposes interest rates and controls the money supply. If you had told people 100 years ago that we would have an agency like the Federal Reserve, they would have said that you were a Communist of some kind. It would have been an unacceptable "Socialist" idea, as would have been economic planning over an entire presidency term. Soviets had "5-year plans", and western governments now have similar long-term economic plans. Ideas that were "socialist" become acceptable, out of economic necessity.

I can think of examples where "small" government has succeeded and failed. Perhaps a better government is one that is "efficient" and "balanced". You can cut taxes and reduce bureacracy. It might seem good, as long as you are not leaving thousands unemployed and slowing down the economy. Then you can increase government size and try to improve services. It might seem good as long as you don't go into deficit and increase public debt. In a perfect world, the government would balance spending and improve the efficiency of services provided. Of course, the world is not perfect!

11. August 2009, 18:23:29
Mort 
Subject: Re: Small government? Does it exist?
Übergeek 바둑이: The Conservatives over here are a curious bunch. I get concerned at the moment when they say that they agree with someone who says 'X' when the government says 'Y' yet come to the crunch and criticise the government for not agreeing with statement 'X'... yet will not give a 100% backing to statement 'X'. I get concerned when they say (as with any opposition) that they want to change an system resulting in years of work and billions of money gone to waste just because there have been teething problems... and the end take 'z' more years and spend 'z' more billions in the process... Stranger still, that the problem being resolved has at some level root in Maggie's era.

They mean well... Just they play the politics for the masses game too much. But labour and the other party's can be just as bad. And yes... '5 year plans' are common here.

As to efficient government.. the recent expenses uproar and the rules that were abused were again changed in Maggie's era, and although da leader says anyone who took the mickey will lose their heads... the vote that would make it easier to prosecute MP's lost out.

I think the MP's think we are that easily bought. .... bad mistake.

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