Thanks Wally....

Can someone explain in plain english how this works? It does not have anything to do with a persons BK rating, rather, how many wins they have in a particular section? Thanks for any help )

Sorry about the name thing, iou...
You didn't win a tournament, LOL, I was just having some fun with a contest to see who would be the last person to finish a game in the Backgammon prize tournament.

You won that contest, and to this minute, you still have not finished a game, and are not even close. You won by a long shot. LOL...
Many sections of the tournament have already been completed too...
At least you still are still undefeated ;)

Yes folks.... WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

Looks like my sentimental favorite, Mr. IOU. Is the winner by a long shot!

I had the inside scoop, since I was palying him, and... well, you know the rest of that story :)
Congrats mrioupcity!!!!!

Its a three man race...
Bwildman
mrioupcity
kevjon

Go fellas, go!!!

Thanks chat...

Does anyone know what 'hlya n vgl' means?
It was a posted message to me, in a game, and I haven't had a chance to ask the person, as they are not moving very much.
Thanks for any help :)

We are down to four now folks.....
tmj91702
bwildman
myioupcity
kevjon
Who is it gonna be?

Sorry BBW... You owe no 'explaination' to me or anyone else.... I am just talking to myself out of boredom, I guess...

You said BBW has been moving well 'recently'. I guess you mean 'faster'?
Do you thing this 'recent' change has been because of any of the pressure he has gotten on these boards lately?

Thats easy to say now Steve.... Who is your pick then?

BBW has recently finished two games...
We are down to 6!!!!

Dakotaspring has timed out of two games.

Only 7 left...Who is it going to be????

I'm first!

Go to my profile, and to my tournaments, and you can gety there thatw way, I think!

Sorry, am not too good with links Harley. I am on WEBTV, and it is possible to do, but takes some HTML which I don't really deal with...

BTW...

Pawnchucker is looking good, at a perfect 10-0 record in group #5!!!!

Who will be tha last person to have a finished game?????
As of right now, there are still 8 players left without at least one finished game.
spoker2000
tmj91702
fixitdave
dakotaspring
bwildman
mrioupcity
kevjon
bigbadwolf

Who will win the competition to be the last person to have a game finish????

I wasn't going to say anymore either, Harley, but it has to be said.

I am not complaining that people in a 4 day tournament don't move in 2 days.

I am complaining about the few people who consitantly move in 3 days and 23 hours.

These people either do it to annoy others, or they have so much going on they can only play games which are ready to time out.

I am through trying to speak to the people who do this to aggrivate others.

For those who for whatever reasons are only able to play their games which are ready to time out, I ask them to be conciderate of others, and not play in tournaments with short time limits. Thats all. If you are seriously a leisurly player, what do you care if it is a 7 or 10 or 100 day tournament????? You shouldn't care at all, you are just playing leisurly. I don't dislike you for that, why should you dislike me for wanting to play in tournaments which don't last several months?
What is so difficult about that? If you want to move every 4 days, why can't you do that in an 8 day tournament or a 100 day tournament? Why do you insist on a 4 day tournament, if what you claim about not caring really is true?

LOL Fencer!!!!!
Maybe I will take you up on that :)
How does it work, if I upgrade in the middle of a membership? Pay full price, or start the time a new, or what?

You are correct Jason, I am feeding right into their sicko, selfish, borish, and neurotic behaviors.

Honestly, I haven't even had much of a personal problem with these types. Only one Battle boats tournament in fact. But just wanted to try to rally the troups to see if something can be done about it. I guess not. Ignoring it, and them, may be the best solution.

Why did you bother Jason?

One of the points I have been making on this subject is that people do do it on purpose. People who have responded who play slow, have stated many "reasons" for doing so, but won't admit they do it as a form of sick personal entertainment! hose are the people I disdain.

I agree that people have a s much right to move as slow as possible without timing out, as I do to move as fast as want.

I'm just asking for some common courtesy. "we are all here to have fun is what I hear. Whether you play fast or leasurly, you should agree that people who play slow to purposly aggravate others, is not fun and should not be tolerated or supported.

Ug.... don't know why you really care... you are not on any of my lists either, you are not the problem.
One problem not yet mentioned, is that faster players have no choices lower than 2 or 3 day limit games, one day is is not realistic, for time out purposes. Slower or leisurly players have a lot more choices. You can play games with a hundred day limit if you choose.

All I am asking is that if you prefer slower games, stay out of the 2 to 4 day games, they are for faster players.

I know that will piss you off, but if you are not willing to do that, as a slower player, you are being selfish, an your selfishness is being a bother to the faster playing players.

What is wrong with a little common courtesy? You ask me to stay out of games with slower players, but when slow players join games with 4 or less day limits, I don't have any options left. Is that fair to me? If you truely like to play leisurly, you shouldn't have any problem playing longer limit games and leave a few tournaments open for those of us who like to play faster.

Whisperz was able to understand this point. I surmmize that you do also. Why then do you have to be so obstinent?

I asked people to PM me with their lists of players who "slow play" to help me decide who I will avoid in playing games.
I had quite a response, and to all those that wrote to me, thank you,

Whisperz, you were not on any of the lists.

I guess it may be just a problem with the way each of us looks at time limits.

Personally, if I think I will need 4 days to play my turns in a particular game, I will only sign up for games with an 8 day limit. That way I can play my 4 days, and have room for longer just in case of a problem.

To me if you play a game with a certain limit, the expectation is that you plan on playing more often than that limit, but like to have the safety net of more time, just in case.

I guess what "we" are asking you, is to pick limits on games which are longer than you expect to use. If you like to move once a week, then play tournaments with a two week limit, then no one would accuse you of slow playing, because you wouldn't be!

I personally like to play everyday, and rarely have games waiting to play. I purposly keep my amount of games played down, so that I am able to achieve this goal. I would prefer to play games with a one day limit, but I know that is unrealistic, because of potential unforeseen problems. Therfore a 3 or 4 day limit is what I like to play, with the expectation that I will move much faster than that.

All I am asking you, and other "leisurly players, is to have some courtesy for us faster players, and play games with limits which are a bit longer than you expect to play.

I think 4 day tournaments are for people who expect to move every day or two, and then have some back up time.

You think 4 day tournaments are for people who only expect to move every 4 days, with no back up time. This makes no sense. You must end up timing yourself out a lot playing like that.

Do you see my point?
Use time limits which are double what you want to play, and we have no problems. A 3 or 4 day limit is for faster players, stay out of them, if you want a leisurly game. Play 7 or 10 day limits, and you will never have to bother me again!

We are not trying to change the nature of the site, as you suggest whisperz.
We are trying to do a much more difficult task... Change the nature of the few here who purposly hold up tournaments, either because they have way too many games to handle, or they get some sort of kick out of it. Since peer pressure doesn't seem to work on these people, we are simply making suggestions which may force them into shorter game times.

The suggestions that tell me not to play games or tournaments with these people only helps in certain instances. It is not always possible to know these people.If there is a tournament with 100 people, it only takes one "bad seed" to ruin the fun for everybody, by dragging out games by making all of their moves at the last instance. It is a shame when the rights of a few ruin it at the expense of many.

I see how that works BBW, but my point is that no one would set an overall time limit which would actually be so short that a person who plays a move per day would actually get timed out.

Your example of a 50 hour overall limit would never happen. If for example a game of Reversi, with about 33 moves per person, would never have an overall time limit of less than 33 days, so you could never time someone out by moving one minute after them everyday.

Even a 33 day limit would be better than the 9 month games some have.

Plus, anyone who used the tactics you suggested, would easily be found out as an A hole, andno one would play any tournaments with them, or they could be removed by the director.
Also if someone did that to me, it would be easy to find a way to counteract this tactic.

I think it would be rare to find that combination of people you spoke of.
Most people don't play for only one hour at a specific time every day. And the odds of that being combined with an A hole who has nothing better to do with their time than to play games to harrass other players.

Again, I also don't see how doing that would actually cause someone to time out in the first place.

Another point, many games do not lend themselves to overall time limits because the amount of moves are not finite.

I still don't see how playing one minute after someone is going to actually hurt them.
Under your scenario, both players would at least be making one move per day.
I don't think anyone wants a tournament where you can get timed out while making a move every day.

So what if someone did that and made you look like a slow player?

At least you would be making one move per day, which I don't think anyone is complaining about, and would not cause that person to time out.


It is the person who either has too many games, or purposly slow plays, and ends up dragging out a 4 day limit into a 9 month game.

If anyone out there keeps a list of these "slow" players, please private message me with those names so I can avoid playing games and in tournaments with those people.
Thanks.

Long John..... I like your idea about total or overall time limits in conjunction with a days per move limit.

For those who worry about losing bkr if they are arbitrarily removed from a game for slow play.... take the advice Ug has given to me, and only play games or tournaments which are not rated.

Whisperz...
I was not speaking about you at all.

I think that people who purposly play games and tournaments which they know in advance they will take three months or more to finish a game, and only play turns when their time limit is up, are losers.

Thats my opinion.

If the shoe fits....

Is that what you call 'fun"?

Not moving until the last possible time, and being the slowest player in every tournament?

The shortest time we can have a game is one day.

Assuming each player moved only at the last minute, include weekends and a two week vacation for each player.

The maximum amount of days for one game could be unlimited. Even a game with a finite amount of moves, like Battle Boats, or Reversi for example. Reversi takes about 30 moves or so. (for estimate purposes) At 1 turn per day per person = 60 days. Plus 28 total days for vacation. Plus another 8 days for weekends, that may even be a low number. Thats 96 days per game. That is 96 days for a game with a maximum of 30 moves per player.

Is this what you consider fun Ug?

what I have shown is for a one day tourney, for one game only, and only in the first round. If you have a tournament with 90 players, like the Backgammon tourney I first mentioned. That is like 13 or so groups in round one... My point is that even the minimum one day time limit could have matches that last years.

So your pint Ug, aout not joining a tournament if we don't like the time limit, makes no sense. 99% of the players here would join zero tournaments if they were told to expect every game to last 3 months, and to be happy if it was less.

Plus, again, No one wants to play a one day tournament either, since the possibility to time out, due to computer error, or some other UNFORESEEN problem which may occure. So you try a four day tournament, and now you have a 9 month per game scenerio!!!!!!

Where do you draw the line?

Excuses are like assholes, everbody has one.
Get past the excusses, and do us all a favor, have some respect for yourself, and put a limit on your games, or stay oput of tournaments or whatever you have to do.If you consider being the last player to finish every game, and holding up the fun and enjoyment for others, and being the behind the back ridicule of other players, fun, then you need to get of this game site, and into some therapy immediatly ;)~

As far as staying out of these games... How does one know?????
If there are 90 players, it only takes one "loser" to mess it up for everybody else.

Sorry to go on so... but there has to be a solution besides, live with it, get over it and shut up.

This is a case where the "rights" of a few ruin it at the expense of the majority.

I think it can be up to the person running the tournament to decide if some one is slow playing on purpose, and get them out!!

The point is.... I may want to play every day, but there are times when that may not be possible, therefore, It wouldn't be right for me to play in a one day tournament because, although I may be willing to play every day, I may have an occasional problem playing everyday.

guess the point I am trying to make is that you should choose games with a time limit where that is the most time you plan on using between turns and not the least amount of time you will use.

If you can only play once every 4 days, then you should not be in a game with a 4 day limit, you should be in a 7 day limit or something. If you can only play every 7 days, yuou should be in a 21 day limit or so, just in case of problems.

The limit on the games you play should be the most time you will take, not the smallest!

This tournament has been going for many days now.
Many people have already completed several games.
But there are some, for example Big Black Wolf, who have yet to make even one move in any of their games!

I realize that one of the problems with tournaments is that you can only play as fast as the slowest player. But come on, this gets out of hand!

I also realize that people have no obligation to play more than necessary not to time out. But, again this is crazy.

Those time limits are generally set to keep people from timing out in case of some emeregency or computer problem etc....

People who purposly only play the minimum amount of moves should be removed! Someone like Big Black Wolf, are here on this site all the time, and their motivation for not moving are unknown. But some people seem to get a kick out of frustrating other players by not making turns in a timely manner.

If BBW had their way, this tournament would last 2 years or more!

It simply should not be tolerated! If someone is obviously able to play, but chooses not to, then their is no reason for them to be allowed to continue in the first place. Someone needs to put a torch under their butts, and threaten them with removal from the tournament if they are active on the site, yet refusing to make moves in this tournament.

Some of these players have a reputation for slow play, and I generally try to avoid games with them, or be in tournaments with them, if I know how they are. But in the case of BBW, and others, who are in almost every tournament offered, I would have to just give up playing all together to avoid them. And that is not fair to me and others like me.

Duh.... Thanks Fencer :)

Does more than one player from each group advance in a tournament which has 13 players in 3 groups?

Is there a way to keep track of my tournaments from the home page? When all my games are finished, but the tournament is still running, I have no way to access this tournament information easily. Any suggestions?

Thanks Fencer!!!!!

I have signed up for a tournament. The last day to do so was supposed to be Nov.the 15th. When will this actually begin? It states a minimum of 10 players, and 13 have signed on. Oh yeah... Its the battleboats prize tournament "swimmers on your marks" created by ?danoczek?

Is it possible to get out of a tournament after it has started, but before I have made any moves, without affecting my bkr? Thanks :)