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16. March 2010, 00:27:51
Mousetrap 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
(V): You never know

16. March 2010, 10:41:19
Mort 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
Mousetrap: Well, the rumours are that the far side of the moon is out of bounds to us humans... And that a Canadian ex defence minister blew the cover by stating.. "there are aliens and we have talked/met them" yet the USA wants to cover it all up speaks volumes.

I think some governments are worried about how people will react to us not being the big cheese's in this galaxy/universe.

16. March 2010, 20:45:31
Mort 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
Tuesday: The RCC once ruled that we were the centre of the universe, then the centre of the solar system... despite that for this to happen the planets around us would have to travel like a pen on a spirograph!! The Bible has and always had at it's main point PHILOSOPHY... churches turned it into a religion.

The first decent telescope was only built a few centuries ago. Long after the Bible was written.

16. March 2010, 21:46:55
Bernice 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
(V): Galileo?

17. March 2010, 01:14:26
Mort 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
Bernice: Yep, amongst others of the time. Put on charges of heresy in the end.

17. March 2010, 06:34:56
Ferris Bueller 
Subject: churches turned it (the Bible) into a religion.

(V):  In the 4th Century, the "church" decided what books went in the Bible to prove its agenda.  And, later, it was copied by scribes many times over because there was no printing press.  It only goes to reason that honest mistakes were made through this process.  In addition, some scribes likely had their own agenda.


In addition, many of the Bible stories are very similar to other legends of that time. So, I agree.  It should be considered a compilation of philosophical thought - not the final word on truth. 


17. March 2010, 23:33:16
Mort 
Subject: Re: "The church" did not decide what books went into the Bible. The catholic church wrote their own bible.
Tuesday: Ohhhh yes they did. Our Church of England was formed as King Henry VIII couldn't get a divorce from the Pope.

Some months back A Jehovah's witness came knocking (as they do) and I had a little discussion. A certain key element regarding Adam and Eve and how eating from the tree allowed mankind to become as our creator was missing.

King James had the King James Bible written due to certain parts of the current ones in use (Geneva version that the pilgrims used?) made his conscience feel uncomfortable.

18. March 2010, 14:56:23
Mort 
Subject: Re: "The church" did not decide what books went into the Bible. The catholic church wrote their own bible.
Tuesday: Aye, but in the J Witness version it was not there. Neither are there notes on where the 7 days came from (Egyptian standard week.. they worked out the year and seasons)... On the metaphorical and story like nature of evil and the devil. That there are four distinct 'hells' and related meanings to the words that is lost in the use of one word.

Moses was brought up by the Egyptians, and despite 'tales' they understood a one God principle and even taught as much.

For about fifteen centuries the interpretation was constrained imho.

18. March 2010, 08:42:41
Ferris Bueller 
Subject: Re: churches turned it (the Bible) into a religion.
Tuesday: When did the Catholic Church write its "own" Bible?  IMO, they took books that were written earlier, & the church made its own decisions about which ones were inspired by God.

17. March 2010, 23:25:56
Mort 
Subject: Re: In the 4th Century, the "church" decided what books went in the Bible to prove its agenda.
Ferris Bueller: I know. There were many, many gospels and related literature before hand. Each group of Christians had their own texts. At the time of formation of what we call the Bible these days the Roman emperor of the time used extreme measures on those who would not conform.

17. March 2010, 01:21:01
Mort 
Subject: Re: Apollo missions and coffee morning at the Aliens
Modified by Mort (17. March 2010, 08:51:00)
Tuesday: The world is material, matter, energy, photons, quarks, etc, etc.

Much of the Bible is metaphorical language based on life and legend of the time. Hell gets it's pit from a place outside Jerusalem where criminals bodies were dumped... ie sinners. It's an old book on how to master the basic nature of humans, our animal side.

Genesis says it, we are part of this world, yet the kingdom of God we can still experience while we live.. It's to do with understanding the separation between the two.

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