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25. November 2007, 18:25:11 Subject: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... ..... and all I can say is "How could you?" She's BEAUTIFUL ....... http://www.ridge-art.com/photographs/doe.jpg 1. December 2007, 03:16:14 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow.....  srnity: I know they are beautiful... but if humans didn't control the deer population you would have hundreds of thousands or even millions die (just in my state) because they wouldn't find enough to eat... so instead... hunting is allowed. Of course it is regulated so a deer population is maintained instead of either completely hunted away or not hunted at all and they all die off... hmmm... what should we do? We took away their natural predators, and now we have to make up for it by hunting. :-) Plus venison tastes very good! mmmm... You must live in the city or somewhere with very few deer... if you lived where I grew up or where I am going to school you would understand... we are run over with deer! I counted 100 before I stopped that were hit and lying on the side of the highway. It was only 40 miles! (Some of this was going through some populated areas too!) They are everywhere... You ever seen a locust swarm? It is sort of like that, only deer ;-) 1. December 2007, 03:22:14 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... rednaz23: maye if we stopped intruding in their territory by constantly having to develope everything...new shopping malls,new housing developments...Lord forbid they come into where WE live..oh wait..that USE to be where THEY lived...once apon a time 1. December 2007, 13:28:02 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... rednaz23: Don't they fence the roads off? We have forests with deers and wild horses over here and you don't get alot of road kill as the roads are fenced off and access points have grids to stop them wondering onto the roads. Plus many many signs saying "kill your speed and watchout for wildlife". And yes I agree, venison tastes great.  2. December 2007, 00:54:35 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... Jules: That causes inbreeding with the deer, so that is frowned upon here. Plus the United States is huge and has millions of miles of road. Fencing them all off means twice as much fence, which is a huge cost to our limited budget already... So we don't do that... As for society entering their territory, yes and no, but the real reason they have become out of control (and why we need hunting) is because humans fear the predators more so then abundant deer. The worry of one of these predators taking a child, a dog, some sheep, is more threatening than 'excess deer', which is wanted by a large population anyways... so that is the way it is. BTW, Deer cost insurance companies billions of dollars a year, but it also spurs ten fold that in other industries... I know areas where I live that live on 6 weekends a year... the hunting weekends. :-) It is very wanted by society in general, and many that live in big cities don't understand, nor take the time to learn. 2. December 2007, 08:16:00 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... Modified by srnity (2. December 2007, 08:18:28) rednaz23: I live in the mountains (about as rural as your getting for the state of PA) and I think it truly SUCKS that things are "hunted", be it deer, bear, quail, pheasant, turkey, squirrel, whatever, in my life, they ALL have a right to their existence (but then I don't eat meat either, the "carcass" thing is just disgusting to me). Humankind has definately over-encroached upon the wilderness areas of this country, state forests and game lands are all that's left of it here pretty much. I just think if a man (or woman) has such an urge to kill something, they should at least be required to do so by hand, doesn't seem very "manly" to shoot dead an animal grazing in the field to me...  ***And as for predators, bring on the wolves, the coyotes, and mountain lions, at least that would be nature's way and not man's, true? 2. December 2007, 15:42:06 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... rednaz23: If they cost billions in insurance then a few million a year spent on a fencing program for high risk areas seems to be a small expense. And if done properly then deer will have limited crossing areas with high visual signs to tell drivers to slow down. It saves countless road kills over here and does not cause inbreeding. 2. December 2007, 17:25:31 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... Jules: I live in Ohio..in the states..all of our major interstate highways are fenced off...My husband actually helps WRITE UP the work orders for fencing that needs to be repaired..as for the inbreeding thing...never heard THAT one before...I agree with srnity...the "natural preditors" SHOULD be allowed the do what nature intended them to do.Back in the day...people did hunt...for food..everything was more balanced then BECAUSE you didn't have all the issues with lost natural space...Isn't it a shame that deer and other wildlife...only have the parks left to live in and what little natural spaces,like where Srnity lives (my Mom and Dad also use to live in a VERY rural,wooded spot in PA) I see both sides of the hunting issue...do I agree with hunting...nope,but as long as it is for food I suppose I can see why it is done...although,with these crazy lil things called grocery stores..I guess I dont see the food need  6. December 2007, 11:34:02 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... anastasia: Our New Forest works well with fencing, so do the roads I go on that use it to cut off woodland areas from the road. I've never heard of deer being killed and I know they live in the woodlands. Hunting is limited over here, especially with guns. Too many areas with people wandering the woodlands to have high powered bullets wizzing around. Hunts are organised on the main not solo affairs. 6. December 2007, 14:14:51 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... Jules: The deer jump the fence here alot and you DO have a bit killed on the road way...Our hunting time is also limited....I try..REALLY try not to judge poeple that hunt...I know that on some level,in the way the world is today..because of the population..because of US intruding on their land and taking their living space away,they would become over crowded...I guess what bothers me the most is the human thought that we are superior to everything and anything...we take away the animals land and then complain when they overpopulte(which if they HAD MORE land,it really WOULDN'T be over populating) we get mad when a mountain lion attacks a hiker and launch massive hunts to "find the one that did it" and kill it...just sickens me the attitude humans have is all.....and for the record..if I am EVER killed while hiking by a bear or mountain lion...DO NOT SHOOT AND KILL IT!!! lol 6. December 2007, 18:08:31 Subject: Re:....and for the record..if I am EVER killed while hiking by a bear or mountain lion...DO NOT SHOOT AND KILL IT!!! lol anastasia: Put me on that list also  And give the bear or mountain lion "ten points" for "taking me out" - that's what the humans in my neck of the woods do when they hit a living creature with a vehicle 6. December 2007, 19:16:52 Subject: Re:....and for the record..if I am EVER killed while hiking by a bear or mountain lion...DO NOT SHOOT AND KILL IT!!! lol srnity:   6. December 2007, 18:42:13 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... anastasia: They must clear it up quicker over here, I believe they do operate a 24/7 clean up service but I thought that was just for ..... There was a prog on TV where 4 wolves were killed over the death of one cow where they had just been reintroduced to the area after being killed off. 6. December 2007, 19:15:47 Subject: Re: White-Tail Deer Hunting Season starts in my neck of the woods tomorrow..... Jules: My husband works for the state road dept here...any dead deer that are on road way in his county are picked up and taken to an animal sancurary that house lions,tigers,panters,other exotic animals that have been taken from owners that kept them as "pets" and rescued from road side shows.They use the dear meat to help feed them.
"There was a prog on TV where 4 wolves were killed over the death of one cow where they had just been reintroduced to the area after being killed off." That to me is just crazy...about as crazy as the ariele hunting of wolves that takes place in the states here.It's all just sick! These people that do things like this will talk to a higher being one day!!! I don't understand....a wolf kills a cow..in the wild,THATS how things work...the wolf doesn't know that cow belongs to some farmer,so the farmer shoots and kills the wolf,or in this case wolves...a human shots and kills another human and he gets 3 years in jail and back out on the streets he goes,living his life |
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