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20. August 2007, 02:08:04
bouncer 
Subject: just a question
Does anybody knows if there's a possibility to exclude some players from tourneys we create ? I know we can create tourneys with players allowed tioll a certain rating but what I mean is to exclude some players by name ..f.e. players who always win any game (cheaters I mean)

20. August 2007, 02:09:56
coan.net 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer: The only thing you can currently do is just remove them before the tournament starts. That is wait about 10 minutes before the tournament starts, then manually remove them. They will not get a message - so hopefully they will not re-join with 5 minutes to go.

20. August 2007, 02:11:49
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
coan.net: OK thanks ..that's a possibility indeed .

20. August 2007, 02:12:02
Family Man 
Subject: Re: just a question
coan.net: They will not get a message - so hopefully they will not re-join with 5 minutes to go.


20. August 2007, 02:20:01
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
Family Man: There are some players I will not play anymore ...during the years on BK it seems they can not lose any game ... strange but they always get the right dice at the right time .... I'm talking about 2 or 3 players but they always appear on any tourney . So when I got those guys as opponent I resign the game from the first move . I'd like to see a possibility not to play those players again ... even if I block them they always appear on tourneys :(((((

20. August 2007, 02:22:56
alanback 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Well, that's one way to ensure they continue winning!

20. August 2007, 02:25:57
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
alanback: I know but they are always winnig whatever we do. And they do in any game ...not only with dice but even in BB games. They never miss a boat ...I agree that in some games it's all about skills (like chess, mancale, reversi ....) but I'm sick and tired about some players who always (day after day, year after year) win any stupid "luck" game as well ... that's not normal ....they have to buy me a lottery ticket

20. August 2007, 02:31:23
Eriisa 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer: oooo! can you have them buy me a lottery ticket too???


I know what you mean tho. Lately the Triple Dice Poker has been driving me crazy, cause the dice won't work with me at all.

20. August 2007, 02:34:24
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
Eriisa: The dice wont work from time to time but there are these players for whom the dice always work even at the last moment ....when I'm sure to win a dice game (finally) one way or antoher they got double 6's or whatsoever and they alway always win .....it's sickening...I know this can happen but not day after day, week after week, year after year ....

20. August 2007, 02:43:21
alanback 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Who are these individuals?

20. August 2007, 02:45:00
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
alanback: I will not mention their names on a DB cause otherwise I got a lot of american moderators or "would be "moderators over me again (story of my live ) lol but I think that people who play on BK for a few years all know who I'm talking about :)))

20. August 2007, 02:47:58
alanback 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Well, I play here as much as anyone and I don't have a clue who you are talking about.

20. August 2007, 02:51:05
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
alanback: INdeed ...I did check your finished games and you never played either of them . Lucky you !!!

20. August 2007, 02:51:20
Family Man 
Subject: Re: just a question
alanback: I think it makes a great feature request, to be able to create more limits in a tournament or game we create,

So, send each other a PM with your lists or whatever you want to do, and leave it at that?

20. August 2007, 02:53:56
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
Family Man: That might be a good suggestion but when I create a tourney I want anyone to play . I will not exclude any BK player except for those 2 (let's say 3)...so I think it's better to throw them out just before the tourney starts

20. August 2007, 03:00:48
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer:  I'm not sure it's possible to cheat on BK when it comes to controlling what the dice do.  The dice rolls are controlled by the program on the server that Fencer is in control of.  I know I have played people who seem to get just the right rolls but I don't think they are really doing anything except being very lucky.  They probably think that of me when i get the perfect roll.

I remember once when my opponent kept getting doubles.  Tons of them.  I got ticked about it but didn't say anything.  After losing the game I went back and counted the doubles.  Turns out, I had more doubles than my opponent! 

20. August 2007, 03:04:00
bouncer 
Subject: Re: just a question
Tigger: Correct ...I had the same experience many times ...you always think the opponent got more doubles than you but in the end it isn't . But with these players ...mmm... dunno ...but they always got the right dice ...always in any single game ... people can be lucky sometimes but not always . I can't imagine how they could cheat but it is very strange . They are very good in skill games but meanwhile they are lucky in any single dice game .. Golden boys or what ????? :)

20. August 2007, 03:25:19
Vikings 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer: if they are very good in skill games, then they are also very good at knowing the probability in dice games and position themselves for the best chances, it is very hard to beat a player that has a 300 point higher rating even in dice games

20. August 2007, 03:17:01
wetware 
Subject: Re: just a question

Tigger: As you might know, there are some sites that allow you to review dice rolls after a game or series of games, showing what the actual distributions were--compared to the theoretical average values.  Neat stuff!  Sometimes I'll see that an opponent got more nice rolls than expected, but not so many that would clearly demonstrate some kind of cheating.  But those rolls and situations are painful...and they stand out in memory!


I think that in games involving dice (or in other games of imperfect information), very good players will combine a solid grasp of probabilities with an understanding of how those probabilities might unfold in play.  They'll do a better job of anticipating possibilities, and will tend to distribute their pieces in play so as to maximize positive outcomes and minimize bad outcomes.  I think that at times it can present the illusion that they're influencing rolls or getting access to hidden knowledge...


20. August 2007, 03:41:02
Papa Zoom 
Subject: Re: just a question
wetware:  That's how I see it too.  Some players just know how to stack the odds in their favor.  Some players I consistently beat in the dice games.  Others I play I get taken to school.  It's not so much about the rolls they get but their knowing what to do with those rolls.

I suspect Fencer has many safeguards to keep BrainKing burglar free ;)

20. August 2007, 07:28:51
Bernice 
Subject: Re: just a question
Tigger: Well I think it is the luck of the draw....for instance ...in a game of triple dice poker I have had 6 5's of a kind...I didnt cheat to get them I guess I was just lucky, and the game is only 1/2 way through so in theory I could get more...

20. August 2007, 12:29:14
Gabriel Almeida 
Subject: Re: just a question
Bernice: And By the way... I don't understand why haven't you been banned yet! ;)
"Cheating stuffs" are forbidden discussions, in Brainking. There's always someone in the command that decides this is not the right place to argue that! Anyway, I still don't know where is a right place for that discussion...

20. August 2007, 12:34:29
Andre Faria 
Subject: Re: just a question
Gabriel Almeida: I´ve seen people being banned from the checkers board for less...

20. August 2007, 12:39:06
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: just a question
Gabriel Almeida: this discussion was about the dice games on brainking .. not about cheating per se .. no names were being called (i dont allow names being called on this board .. it only leads to lynching of specific players not to a discussion about brainking and its system

if someone can give a list of a player who won extraordinary many dice games by getting too many good rolls .. please ask about it on the board of that game type and ask the experts in that game if its possible to have these rolls this often .. it might be skill or not yet subject to the rule of large numbers .. but again .. try to leave out the name .. we dont want people to go after a specific person .. the only person to go after someone is fencer
(and by the way .. asking for bernice to be banned isnt inline with this board either :))

20. August 2007, 07:39:06
tippyc 
Subject: Re: just a question
Tigger & everyone else: to be a good dice poker player, it seems that you need to know what to do with the rolls you get, that you know what to do with the bad rolls and wait for the good ones to come. Backgammon seems to rely more on what the roll is, but if you dont know how best to use the two dice values you will still be a lousy player.

on a side note: people tend to forget that the probability of an event occurring is not reliant on the previous event. that means that just because someone got (in backgammon) double 6's on their last roll doesn't mean that they have any less of a chance to get double 6's next time. the probability of getting double 6's on any given roll is always exactly 1/36. the same concept applies to all dice rolls.

20. August 2007, 13:22:26
Family Man 
Subject: Re: just a question
tippyc: the probability of getting double 6's on any given roll is always exactly 1/36. the same concept applies to all dice rolls.

But that does not mean either, that the probability of getting 6 doubles in a row is the same as not getting 6 doubles in a row.

20. August 2007, 02:24:19
Family Man 
Subject: Re: just a question
bouncer: I am sure that something like what you want is on Fencers list of things to do. But sometimes these features get lost in all of the other features that Fencer does.

It doesnt sound like anything that would be difficult to implement though.

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