srnity: it's friday night. I give it a b it longer, I would say the late nighters in europe should be getting home in an hour or so

Vikings: It's the only reason I'm still here - it's been one hour and one minute...I give it fifteen more

nah, I say we start a pool to see how long it takes to get rid of the post

I want the magic wand so i can make him dissapear

Jim Dandy: Safe is good - works for me

gogul: I'm putting my money on safe.Happy seems a longshot at best.

gogul: ROFLMBO

kintori: Most important thing is to feel happy and safe

To extrapolate, what an interesting word! To conclude out of the behavior of a funktion inside a mathematical sphere on it's behavior outside of this sphere. Hmmm, so the breaks on my bike probably won't work to use them on my energyneutral powercar.

...worth the paper it's printed on.

kintori: Whooooooooooooooa Big Guy

Jim Dandy: hahahaha I reckon....this would get a life ban here I would say LOL, and he just paid for 2 years membership.....what a waste LOL

Jim Dandy:

Bernice: I'd hate to see his reaction if they got his order wrong at Denny's

kintori: OOPS

Fencer: FREE Brainking! :)

Fencer: And rules are made to be broken...............j/k

kintori: What makes you think that FIDE rules are applied here?
Actually, FIDE or any other organization has absolutely no authority on BrainKing. We have our own rules.

kintori: Oh well.

pauloaguia:  Probably just as well.  I got myself banned from IYT for a short time on account of my "spidering" their site.  Of course, I was collecting information on all users, not just myself, and my scripts used to run for 6 to 8 hours at a time.

Gabriel Almeida: Team tournament matches.

alanback: I know all that (even some CGI) but I'm just lazy to do it
Thanks for the briefing anyway.

pauloaguia:  How good are you at cgi scripts?  I used to compile statistics on the tournament games at ItsYourTurn by downloading web pages and extracting the necessary information from them.  I wrote a couple of scripts in perl that automated most of the process.  In this case, I see the graph page has a URL of the form The">http://brainking.com/en/BKRGraph?u=2741&tp=23

Team Tournament's games are counted in team ratings?

coan.net: thank you.
(Now to figure out a way to process the information out of 103 pages in one shot...)

pauloaguia: You can look at your BKR graph.

For example, your graph for Amazon Chess: http://brainking.com/en/BKRGraph?u=9839&tp=58

25 completed games, but 21 counted games (BKR Rated) - listed above the graph

Is there anywhere on BK where we can see how many rated games we have finished of a certain game type?
On my profile there's a table with all the victories, losses and draws of the games I've finished, but that's for counted games. That is, it includes games that were counted but not rated, and games that have finished before 2 moves were made.

So, is there anywhere I can see how many rated games I finished for a certain game type?

kintori: please take this discussion to the general chat board, or to the board inside the fellowship.

this board is about brainking and its system, the problem you describe isnt with brainking but with the players. a draw offer can be made, a draw offer can be accepted, wether or not a player does one of those things is up to the players and not a decision for the brainking system.

any further posts on this board about this subject will be removed

Rose: I got a two year membership for the price of one thanks to a code red

Please lets get back to Brainking issues and take this to private chat or general chat. Thanks!

IT'S A CONSPIRACY MA-AA-AA-AN!

alanback: or thisor thisor this
or this is not well let me tell
mr or misses blocker
killing someone is very offensive to me
as i have been where it really happens
but you do not care as these smileys show

That my social contract with BK allows me to hide users.

danheg: \
this is at the core
player(sender) opponent(receiver)
as the game had not been started ie no moves
moves have to be made before a draw can be asked even GM draws have a number of moves made before the draw is given.
the social contract as such is this
the opponent: one, did this on his own without consulting the team as a whole or the captain, this is a team match
two, there was no attempt to ask the player if this was a mistake.
the second level is this, the ranking difference of 100+ between player and opponent
at the least opponent was just plan RUDE, at the other end he reverse cheated
in that he sandbagged player knowing that the draw offer was not a real offer and accepted so he would not have to play a much stronger player and get a 1/2 win for free. the worst kind of cheater coward
oh he has not yet resoponed though it did take him very long to accepot the draw

emmett:
excuse me: this is not general, it is about addressing a grievance and this is the main discussion board i believed it would reach the correct venue to have the grievance dealt with but obviously i am wrong again as there has been only one person other than myself
once again, another game site that does not care about ethics, morals, or the sensibilities of other players, all you care about is that no one uses ****, ****, **** ,******* ,expletive, on and on really to bad

kintori: The player that sent the draw request would be the one at fault and not the one who accepted it.   Whether it was a joke (which would have been thoughtless for his/her team)  or a mistake (which can happen I guess even though it has to be confirmed) on the part fo the one sending it,  the decision to accept is not one that affects morality or honor.  The point is not to send a draw offer if it is not meant.  If it is a mistake in sending it,  it is the same as making a mistake in the game.

kintori: General chat.

alanback:
do you know why socrates took hemlock
i know you do not
do not look it up that would be breaking this social contract that we have started in this dialog

kintori:  I have been flippant in response to your comments, but I urge you to consider whether anyone else takes this so seriously or otherwise agrees with your conclusions.  My perspective may be wrong, but in my view you are wasting your intellectual powers on trivialities.

alanback: That's ok, we know how to enjoy the game.

kintori:  Thank you for proving my point :-)

alanback: 6:51 PM

No it is you whom doesn't understand what BRAINKING is about
This is not a game, it is a competition
For points, prestige, honor in ones own mind.
If you still do not understand then open the message smileys
As for the social contract: social contract - an implicit agreement among people that results in the organization of society; individual surrenders liberty in return for protection
Substitute natural desires, with liberty; this is what the opponent of this chess game has done.
He has decided that what he wants is more important the team or how it would effect the player and his team.
He broke the social contract when he acted on his own. And further even if it where not a team event but a single contest he did not check to see if this was a mistake by the player, because he did not want to play someone whom was 100+ points stronger than himself but get the 1/2 point, if you cannot see this then you are just like him.
Bill clinton did the same with the grand jury and bush and company also when they did not count all the votes,
Without this social contract I could reach into your computer and screw you
This did not come out of my head , hume and jefferson of which clinton is also named shaped the social contract
You are wrong to state that it is "
he existence of any "social contract", particularly one in which the terms are dictated by you"
I am just trying to follow, and act ethically there is to little of it in this world today, and it is easier to not on the net.

Good thing I don't play chess since I never heard of that practice either.

kintori:  Is there something in the concept of a "game" that escapes you?  You're taking this waaaay too seriously.  Moreover, I would dispute the existence of any "social contract", particularly one in which the terms are dictated by you.

I admit I have no knowledge of the situation you describe, and if I did I might be offended by a player's conduct.  But to elevate this to a moral level is overkill.

We players, when we click a button to play a game on the net sign a social contract with the opponent.
This social contract is a means for the playing field to be level.
It keeps players honest and ethical.
This is even for so for the web venue.
It would appear that is not the case with some players at BRAINKING.
Case-in-point:
A team match was created by a big boss, a player's first team match and being team captain.
Well this player is somewhat of a jester and sent a draw request to his first opponent whom happened to be 100+ points less experienced, this draw request was tantamount to break a leg for an actor
This player never in his wildest dreams believed the opponent would accept
What made it really trouble-some was that the opponent did not consult the team captain nor did he send a query to his opponent as to whether this was in fact a true draw request.
Please keep in mind no move had been made in the game.
Further, this is a chess match to pit chess knowledge against knowledge and it is a team match which puts it in a class higher than single combat.
What this opponent has shown is that he cares nothing about the team, has no respect for other players, and is rude, mean, and empty.
The only reason this was done is because of the protection of the net.
No one can punish him for his acts.

alanback: Exactly

  Gordon Shumway:  Thanks, very informative!  Is that accessed through the "formatted" menu item on the Font Style menu?

Gordon Shumway: Ah, I'm using Opera.

Gordon Shumway: One more reason for folks to switch to firefox!!! FF rules!

kaluza: Oops - sorry, in Firefox 2.0 this results in the post having a scrollbar, not the whole page getting wider (at least with the "No fonts" layout). I have removed the example...