playBunny: That bear-'em-all-off-first move breaks the rule.....

Exactly, you should, as Chessmaster1000 said, investigate if the move is legal first. If you allow that that the legality is investigated after the game is over, you'd have to allow "that bear-'em-all-off-first move".

http://www.wbfonline.com/startoplay/index.html

In other words, a "legal move" as put in the English version of the BG rules refers to a move that is allowed by the BK rules, including a move that is against the MDU rule.

playBunny: LOL...:)

playBunny: just a minor note: it doesn't matter how many times you declare it's a bug

playBunny: That's interesting. I wonder which set of rules would take precedence. I believe the English ones should be primary with regard to the other translations but Czech is Fencer's language so I wonder whether the English set is a translation of the Czech, vice versa or are they independant?

Even though I don't know what you mean saying that the English rules should take precedence with regard to the other translations, I believe the rules should be interpreted in connection with what the game itself allows you and more importantly, what has been declared by Fencer on the discussion boards. To answer your question - I'm sure most of the rules were written first in Czech (since the Czech ones are more comprehensive and Czech is Fencer's mother tongue). Why would Fencer write something in English and then translate it back to his own language? As for this backgammon problem, I think that Fencer said somewhere that it was a bug and would be eventually fixed. That means it's up to the players how will they play. You say playing by the Worldwide Backgammon Federation rules shows more sport, I agree with that but if your opponent doesn't I suggest to move on, maybe mention it to your opponent in the game discussion and wait for the rule to be implemented.

BTW, the Czech version of the rules doesn't say "The player could not make a legal move with the second die", it says "The player could not make a move with the second die"

AbigailII: International Backgammon Federation?

AbigailII: Yes it can help.

Chessmaster1000: Find any game between certain players (in a profile of one of them or in a tournament table) and under the gameboard, you will see this for instance:

Score of finished games (Chessmaster1000 - Pedro Martínez, Dark Chess): 0 : 1 (= 0) (show games)

And when you click on "show games", you'll get the list.:)

rod03801: I don't understand what are you trying to imply...does it mean Fencer should leave it the way it is? I don't get the point of your post.

ArtfulDodger: It is so evident. If anybody is in doubt, check out this game:
http://brainking.com/cz/ArchivedGame?g=868711&i=23
Go through it move by move...

Even the finished games show signs of cheating. Look at the first game in the list, move 12 for instance.

Wayne was playing Anti Hyper Backgammon there.

http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGameList?u=11991&op=14225&tp=66

Report them to Fencer. If it happened 14 times in favor of one of them, it's clear cheating.

Basic01 Pedro Martínez
10. July 2005, 20:05:03

Time for game (?): Time: 1 hour, Bonus: none, Limit: 1 hour (11. July 2005, 21:05:03 is the last term before timeout for this move)

This tournament was created at 7pm cet, started 8pm. At 9-30pm, Bobes makes his first move and DUH!!! has 1 hour left...

Yeah, I liked it too...and I'm up to participate again if Chuck creates it soon...:)

I think they will start at 6 cet/midnite ET

perhaps a spasm-outwitted pleurisy would perplexly defoliate the loud-warbling cruciforms ... ~*~

The most fair option is to play on according to BK rules.

playBunny:

3. No copy'n'pasting other user's posts or words onto public boards without their permission.

Juetland=Denmark?

danoschek: 21 players are within 400 points of you in small pente

The Czech version is stricter:

1. NO CHEATING. This term includes making use of external programs for suggesting the best moves and deliberate losing in order to increase the opponent's BKR. Such behavior, if proved, may lead to the account blockage and removal of the BKR from the ratings table.

Czuch Chuckers:

Game Guidelines:

1. NO CHEATING. This includes using outside programs to help play and losing on purpose for the goal of boosting ratings. Your account may be banned, and ratings will be removed.

Duh!!! Neither am I...wonder wHy...~*~

Mike UK: Yes, it does, I meant the 13-5 13-5 as the best move in the Chuck's game instead of what Chuck played...sorry for the misunderstanding, my fault...

Czuch Chuckers: No doubt after me, 64 is more tricky...

Czuch Chuckers: Of course it does...
BBW: That is the second best move according to the program.

Czuch Chuckers: 13-5 13-5, says gnubg.

Czuch Chuckers: Actually, your move No. 2 was your first move in the game, having passed the No. 1. :)

Czuch Chuckers: I let gnubg analyze the game and it says that your last move was the best you could make. However, it says that your play is "terrible!", marking 3 moves as very bad (moves No. 2, No. 7 and No. 10) and 2 as bad (No. 3 and No. 11). It also says that verbatim is playing like an "Amateur", having all of his moves marked as good.

Czuch Chuckers: I don't think it made your situation worse, but you will have to let him go anyway...

No, I didn't...I didn't even know it was possible...it's the first game-playing program I've ever used...LOL

Chessmaster1000: It says "expert"... *shrugs*
Now I lost 5-2...intermediate...

I have no idea what settings I have it on..I just clicked new game, set it to 5-point matches and played...where can I see the level of the computer?

I have just finished another two 5-point mathces, won both of them but now it shows that in the first one, I was playing like and Intermediate (? the Czech translation of the program is not so good so I hope it's intermediate) and like a World Class in the other one...no very bad moves this time but a few bad moves...it seems that the number of "very bad moves" is decisive as for the final determination of your level of playing...

LOL, I have downloaded the gnubg program, played 10 5-point games with it, won all of them and the session analysis tells me I'm playing like a beginner, marking 1 or two of my moves in each game as very bad...interesting...a lot of stuff to learn I suppose...

I think it cannot be infirmed that the decimal system fits the nowaday's people the best...

A third of a meter is 33.33 centimeters, 10-yo kid is able to compute that. Kilometer divided by 11 = 90.9 meters...very easy also...

Marfitalu:
1st roll - Marfitalu: 25, moves 13-11, 13-8
2nd roll - B Itch: 22, moves 2x 19-21 2x 12-14
3rd roll - Marfitalu: 24, moves 11-9, 13-9
4th roll - B Itch: 55, moves 2x 17-22, 2x 12-17
5th roll - Marfitalu: 61, moves 24-18, 13-12
6th roll - B Itch: 24, moves bar-2, 17-21
7th roll - Marfitalu: 65, moves 13-7, 12-7
8th roll - B Itch: 43, moves 14-18, 18-21
9th roll - Marfitalu: 43, passes
10th roll - B Itch: 41, moves 1-5, 1-2
11th roll - Marfitalu: 33, passes
12th roll - B Itch: 35, moves 21-24, 19-24
13th roll - Marfitalu: 51, moves bar-5
14th roll - B Itch: 14, moves 14-15, 15-19
15th roll - Marfitalu: 24, moves bar-23, 20-16
16th roll - B Itch: 65, moves 5-11, 11-16
17th roll - Marfitalu: 41, passes
18th roll - B Itch: 26, moves 2-4, 4-10
19th roll - Marfitalu: 24, moves bar-23, 8-4
20th roll - B Itch: 35, moves 2-5, 5-10
21st roll - Marfitalu: 24, moves 6-4, 9-5
22nd roll - B Itch: 34, moves 16-19, 10-14
23rd roll - Marfitalu: 46, moves 9-5, 8-2
24th roll - B Itch: 51, moves 10-15, 14-15
25th roll - Marfitalu: 56, moves 8-3, 8-2
26th roll - B Itch: 64, moves 15-21, 15-19
27th roll - Marfitalu: 41, moves 7-3, 6-5
28th roll - B Itch: 64, moves 17-21

Marfitalu: she rolled 64

Marfitalu: I don't see any "bug" there, everything seems to be perfectly OK.

You must be kidding, JH...

until he starts finishing the lost games...

Chessmaster1000: I'd play 13-8 24-21

Daniel Snyder: http://brainking.com/game/ShowGame?g=736835

grenv: I'd like to try it since I don't believe it is possible to prolong it too significantly. Would you acccept an invite to an unrated game?

But is it possible to deliberately prolong the game?

and that's correct...use this formula to calculate you ratings and compare them with those the system sends you after you fininsh particular games

http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/ratings/approx/approx.html