Iamon lyme: For the very reasons you cited, I personally would never do it. But I think it was done because it could be done. Even knowing that it would tick off the savages in Islam. It's the same with the burning of the Koran. We don't refrain from burning the Koran just because some crazies will riot, rape, and murder. That has to be on them. Those that respond badly to something they don't like are responsible for their own behavior. The Bible is burned as is the flag. It's a speech thing. I think it's dumb but they have the right to do it. It's not enough to kill over( waterboard yes....I'd water board the film maker - but keep in mind that Bill Maher made an anti-religious film and in it he also attacked Islam. We didn't hear squat about that! AND that same Bill Maher gave Obama 1 million dollars! Where's the media???

Artful Dodger: [ BTW, that film has been on YouTube for months. ]

I was curious about the timing, when the clip came out in relation to when the violence erupted. It's clear from everything I've heard and read that whoever put this out there fully intended to start something.

If you know a particular group of people will react like mad dogs if you taunt them, then there is no excuse for inciting them. Taunting Christians doesn't result in this kind of reaction, but I have to wonder if self disicpline as taught by the Bible is something the Islamic religion teaches. When the Bible says the meek will inherit the earth, it's not saying passive people will be in charge... that's not what meek means. It means exercising the kind of self disicpline most good parents want to see their children develop.

I think the person (or people) who funded and put that clip on youtube fully intended for it to have the sort of reaction that has now erupted. I read on this board someone saying $5 mil went into making it. Is that right? If so that tells me someone went to the trouble and expense of trying to set off a 'mad dog' reaction, fully knowing and intending for this to happen.

And then there's this: http://patdollard.com/2012/09/280069/

Artful Dodger: Judaism recorded their wars as well.... including the massacres they did. Christianity was formalised into a religion based on a pogrom.

And when our religion split....

"Interesting that the uprisings started on 911. But then there is no connection."

911 is just when Americans as a nation woke up to what had happened on their behalf.

(V): You could say a lot of things except for the fact that we're talking about something specific: The Muslim riots in light of some silly film. BTW, that film has been on YouTube for months. Interesting that the uprisings started on 911. But then there is no connection. They just collectively decided on that day to rape a US Ambassador and murder him and then set fire to the compound.

These savages don't need an excuse to make war. That's part of their religion. The sooner people recognize it the better.

Artful Dodger: I could say about the same with the US, regarding the CIA and foreign policy a few decades ago. We are talking about policies that have ended up in thousands upon thousands dying.

But it wasn't the whole of the US population who wanted this... just the 1%.

(V): There is no exaggeration here. And we're not talking about death penalties nor are we talking about an isolated religious nut killing an abortionist. We're talking about whole populations that are hell bent on putting the world under the control of Islam. And they are making progress. In your country there is a huge problem with militant Islamist extremists.

Bwild: The crusades were an entirely different thing. A sad part of the history of Christianity to be sure. But it's not the same thing. Christianity doesn't teach the things that went on in the crusades. But Islam does teach the things that goes on in Islam. AND it's happening now. You have some isolated nuts in Christianity but in Islam you have whole populations that have world domination as their goal.

Vikings: You won't hear it from the main stream media. They won't touch that connection.

Artful Dodger: Exaggeration. No head hacking here. But.. we don't have the death penalty like in the US ... ... .. mmmmm

"The film was a bad idea and disrespectful. But it in no way warrants such a savage reaction. Christians would not react in such a way. And then there is this:"

Kevin Smith had death threats over the film Dogma, anti abortionists of Christian denomination killing is just a myth.

You are telling me those anti abortionists were being respectful.

... You don't want me to talk about Northern Ireland do you?

rod03801: No. Where did you hear that?

Artful Dodger: ummm..Crusades?

Artful Dodger: where have I heard that before?

Anti-Islam Filmmaker Donated Million Dollars To Obama Campaign http://shar.es/uY086 via @sharethis

Wilders: Islam is an ideology aiming for world domination rather than a religion. It demands that the state be regulated according to Islamic law. As a consequence, it wants to rule over all other religions, ideologies and political visions. Islam is based on the Koran, which according to the Islamic faith is a book written by Allah himself. Hence, it leaves no room for interpretation. The Koran commands Muslims to conquer the world, if necessary through violence. There is no freedom in Islam. Because of its global aims, it is a threat to freedom everywhere.

Read more: DECKER: 5 Questions with Geert Wilders - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/14/geert-wilders-5-questions-with-decker/#ixzz26YdMiSdz
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(V): Muslims have respect? They don't do that in the USA because they wouldn't get away with it. But elsewhere in the world, they will hack off your head for little reason. And attacks on Christians are an everyday occurrence. The film was a bad idea and disrespectful. But it in no way warrants such a savage reaction. Christians would not react in such a way. And then there is this:

6/3/2012 Nigeria Bauchi 21 45 A Holy Warrior runs his car into a church service and detonates, taking out over twenty praying Christians. The responsible group later thanks Allah for the victory.

10/1/2001 Indonesia Tomata 3 0 Terrorists attack a Christian church, killing three women.

3/18/2012 Nigeria Suleja 0 5 A church is firebombed during a service.

3/15/2012 Nigeria Nayi 10 4 A pastor is among ten people hacked and shot to death when armed Muslims raid Christian homes around a church.

1/6/2012 Nigeria Adamawa 12 4 Islamists chanting 'Allah Akbar' barge into a church and massacre a dozen worshipers

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/ChristianAttacks.htm

respect? I don't think so..

rod03801: of coarse, the U.S. started it 200 years before anyone was here

(V): So, they are justified in killing and raping and burning and just being thugs?

One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Anyone who believes that has to be as nutty as they are.

Vikings: Anyone who doesn't think this has been a match that lit a waiting petrol soaked woodpile, is a clueless about being respectful... especially in the current world..

... as an asteroid is about the life that might be on the planet it is going to hit.

Well, hey.. it did exist first, been away awhile in deep space.

Artful Dodger: It's not the film but the content.

I'm sure you'd feel happy (as in the film) to have Jesus called a bastard.

Would you appreciate under the USA's free speech laws a group of Muslims standing outside your church with signs saying...

"JESUS HAS NO FATHER".
.. "HE IS A BAS*@%*"

But the Muslims seem to have respect enough to not do this. Maybe they don't want to start riots.

The Col: IMO they didn't try to build on them.. but, re-invent.

Artful Dodger: [ And the media is covering fer him ]

I sometimes wonder what is going on with the media. With the loss of reader and viewership (which in the real world means loss of revenue) you would think they might want to get back to basic principles of journalism... because simply telling the truth actually sells papers and draws in viewers (and listeners).

Whether they like what the news is telling them or not, some people actually want to know what is happening. Even people who prefer to hear what they want to hear are better served knowing.

Politicians don't kid themselves about what is true or not, even if some of them aren't telling us the truth. But there's no reason for someone like me to not want to know... the only thing I can do with a fantasy is to daydream. Fantasies have no other practical purpose.

Iamon lyme: And the media is covering fer him

Artful Dodger: [ Obama's Connecticut Social Security Number ]

This is one of the funniest duck cover and hide jobs I've ever seen... correction, it IS the funniest. And not just the social security number, I mean all of it. Like the girl he once dated that didn't exist. He needed a birth certificate (oops, clerical error) to get a social security number (oops, another clerical error). Reality just doesn't seem to like Mr Obama, because facts keep popping up to rear their ugly heads. Oh, and some women he dated are actually all one woman... or is it the other way around? (uh, um, eh, clerical error?). This guy has a numbers and facts problem. Seriously, how many "clerical" errors is a person allowed to claim in one lifetime? LOL

It's like all three of the stooges are wrapped up into and represented by one guy. It's amazing to see how this is unfolding.

Obama will have nowhere to hide when his presidency is over, but I'll bet he won't have to face any significant consequences. Clinton has already proven how convenient being the president can be... as Mel Brooks said in one of his movies, "It's good to be the king."

Nooooooooo kidding!?

Articles: A Possible Explanation for Obama's Connecticut Social Security Number Link shortened to fit on screenr

Artful Dodger: any one who thinks this happened because of a movie is just as clueless about foreign policy as the anointed one

Over a stupid movie. Savages

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213588.php

http://youtu.be/JA6vRC1xW_c

The Christian world didn't go about killing Jews and burning embassies over this short. So why should we give a crap about offending a bunch of 16th century nuts? Oh yeah, cuz they kill people when they get pissed. I get it. Give in to the terrorists. That's a great idea and sounds so manly!

In an "art" museum there is a cross in a bottle of urine. It's allowed because of free speech. Sure there are complaints and protests, but no mass killings, rapes, and mob violence. Only with Muslims do you get that kind of response for some silly poorly done film. The guy looked more like an American Jesus than he did an Eastern Muslim male. Those crazies don't need a real reason to rape and kill. They will use anything.

Our response must not be soft and fluffy. I don't care that they get offended. That's no reason for mob violence and we ought NOT to apologize to those who are our sworn enemies.

Since when does America or Canada or Europe coddle to terrorist scum?

The Muslims rape and murder and the left blames some guy with a camera. I blame the rapists and the murderers.

It's like blaming the bank for the robbers taking their money. (because they had all that money in the bank!)

(V): Not when it comes to cars, they destroyed the classic Mustang and T Bird IMO.....politically speaking of course

The Col: Good design doesn't die... it just gets built on

(V): I've decided to go Plasma next time , but my 50" Sony led is still a great tv

The Col: ... I'm being very surprised over LED lights. Not only how they have gotten better over the last few years, but also cheaper... as well as the power use reduction.

(V): They don't tend to need a reason , giving them one would make matters worse...................ebay? I am taking a sabbatical, I went nuts on ebay since January

The Col: I wondered from what you said if it was that it's put normal Israelis in line for some nutter to feel justified in blowing people up.

The film maker said he did intend to create violence!!

(V): No link, just figured since he initially blamed it on an Israeli

Rafat Ali tweets:
Our Imam at Friday prayers today: how can you expect Allah to show mercy on you if you can't show mercy to those who offend you? #peace

The Col: He's peeved off the Jews?? Sorry eyes tired from ebay.. got a link?

(V): So now this guy has both Muslims and Jews pissed

The Col: I had read.. though that version is fuller than the one I did.

(V): The story link explains it in detail

Can we have the 101 (or more) people involved stand up and take responsibility for their actions? Being a free man includes being responsible!

Stocks.. A big line of stocks. ... Pay and throw??

The Col: 100 people financed a $5,000,000,000 film.

Who are they?

(V): Washington: Federal authorities have identified a Coptic Christian in southern California who is on probation after his conviction for financial crimes as the key figure behind the anti-Muslim film that ignited mob violence against US embassies across the Mideast, a US law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The official said authorities had concluded that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was behind "Innocence of Muslims," a film that denigrated Islam and the prophet Muhammad and sparked protests earlier this week in Egypt, Libya and most recently in Yemen. It was not immediately clear whether Nakoula was the target of a criminal investigation or part of the broader investigation into the deaths of US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya during a terrorist attack.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/us-identifies-the-man-who-allegedly-made-the-anti-islam-film-267158

Well... Ok, I watched a little of the anti Islam film. Some strange bumch of American Israeli mix or Israeli American, American and/or Israeli with a $5 million dollar budget.

I must ask.. especially with the label and science there of... could Jesus get a DNA test to prove who's his daddy??

.. the coward who made the film who intended to incite violence is in hiding. Make him be responsible and stand face to face with one Muslim.

.. But he's using America as a human shield.

Prince Harry at the party was kinda ... ... well men do at parties (especially ones who serve in armed forces) as men do... it is nothing special. That Cromwell's head was embalmed and then travelled from owner to owner for 300 years before being reburied....

Yes.. Oliver was dead for two years.. then Charles II and his mates had him exhumed... beheaded and the head planted on a spike.. in a nice location, well.. one that gave it a wide audience.

It was a kinda news service back then, this spike thing!