Artful Dodger: Avoiding .. .. or dodging!!

So.. you'd let the mum die just to have the kid... One innocent dies, one lives. It's not a perfect world.

"It's morally wrong to kill an innocent human being."

So why no gun control?

(V): It's morally wrong to kill an innocent human being.
The unborn are innocent human beings.
It's immoral to kill them.
Abortion kills them.
Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.

Artful Dodger: It is bs until the foetus reaches a certain age of development, which is 24 weeks. Before that the brain has no connections to be able to feel pain, nor does the baby have the capability of being concious.

After 24 weeks the baby is in a chemical environment in the uterus, that induces a continuous sleep-like unconsciousness or sedation. But that only applies to late abortions for basically saving the woman's life, or if scans show up serious abnormalities.

That is.. how it is in the UK.

what happens in your mind if by chance you hit a no win situation?

... If the mother has the baby, the mother dies. The only option is an abortion. One will dies either way!!

Iamon lyme: I think the video was bush's fault.

I would like to know whose brilliant idea it was to blame the Benghazi attack on a youtube video. Was that Obama's idea, or was it someone else who came up with that idea? I wonder who (if anyone) will take "credit" for that one?

By the way, when I said the president was a quick study I meant after the fact. He learns very quickly how bad an idea is after he tries it out, but it appears he still hasn't figured out how to anticipate real world consequences.

rod03801: we are pawns!

Artful Dodger: I guess I always wonder how much of it is because THEY TELL US so many states are "decided". You know?

rod03801: It's funny how the battle for President really comes down to just a few states. Like I told a friend today, it won't matter who you vote for for President. I'll probably write myself in or maybe donald duck.

Artful Dodger: My state is a "swing state"... which is funny because we don't have many electoral votes

rod03801: well so far in his life, everything he's touched has turned to gold. I suspect he'll do great things for the US - after he fixes the mess Obama has made. What a terrible experiment he's been!

Artful Dodger: I'm so excited for 2 weeks from tonight! It could be an edge of the seat night. However, if momentum keeps up, it could be less stressful than it would have seemed a month ago.

I fear 4 more years of the jerk. I personally don't even think its just incompetence. I don't even think he has our best interests in mind.
But I guess that's a bit controversial.
I honestly feel if he gets 4 more years, it could be the end of our great country as we know it. Or so far down the tubes that it would take a miracle to reverse it.

Heck, maybe even Romney can't fix it. He wasn't MY first choice, that's for sure. Hopefully we can get as many conservatives in the House and Senate as possible to give him an easy road to success.

Iamon lyme: hmmmm, maybe more will leave again! lol

Artful Dodger: Remember when Canada was invaded by liberals "escaping" the US when Reagan was first elected? I remember reading a story about a farmer finding a bunch of them sleeping in his field. Our press had already done a fine job of scaring the crap out of those folks, so no one was too surprised by this mass exodus.

http://newsninja2012.com/charles-krauthammer-its-unequivocal-mitt-romney-won/

Iamon lyme: I'll be so glad when it's over. If Obama wins, I'm going underground. cuz the USA will go quickly down the

http://newsninja2012.com/say-what-nbcs-chuck-todd-fact-checks-obamas-bayonets-line/


ahahah they still use bayonets in combat. AND horses too!

BIG Obama blunder

In 1984 Reagan carried 49 states and got 58.8 % of the popular vote. Oregon and Washington gave their votes to Reagan that time as well.

It was a landslide RE-election.

England’s Take On Final Debate – Romney won the presidential debate by looking presidential
Obama And Romney Spar In Final Debate Before Presidential Election
October 23, 2012 2012 Presidental Debates, Barack Obama, Election 2012, Mitt Romney

Romney won the third presidential debate – and how he did it was encapsulated in a single exchange. The candidates were discussing military spending and Romney had just accused Obama of making harmful cutbacks. The President wheeled out what must have seemed like a great, pre-planned zinger: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed.” The audience laughed, Obama laughed, I laughed. It was funny.

Defeated?

But here’s why it was also a vote loser. For a start, Twitter immediately lit up with examples of how the US Army does still use horses and bayonets (horses were used during the invasion of Afghanistan). More importantly, this was one example of many in which the President insulted, patronised and mocked his opponent rather than put across a constructive argument. His performance was rude and unpresidential. Obama seemed to have a touch of the Bidens, wriggling about in his chair, waving his hands dismissively and always – always – smirking in Romney’s direction. By contrast, Romney sucked up the abuse and retained a rigid poker face all night. He looked like a Commander in Chief; Obama looked like a lawyer.

Artful Dodger: Here it is Reagan carried 44 states (out of 57) and got 50.7% of the popular vote. Both Oregon and Washington gave their electoral votes to Reagan. Wow. So it IS possible (not impossible) that Oregon could do it again. Only have to wait two more weeks to see what happens.

TGI almost November.

According to the official U.S. Marine Corps website, every Marine is STILL required to complete a bayonet training program … because “the weapon becomes just as effective [as a rifle] in close combat situations.”

We spoke with Dan Riker from Bayonet Inc. — a leading military surplus outlet that specializes in bayonets — who tells us he believes Obama’s comment was “ignorant … because our soldiers still use bayonets.”

He adds, “[Bayonets] are still distributed to the military all the time — he should get educated on it”

Gee, the Rasmussen poll has Romney up 4 points.

Iamon lyme: Washington usually votes towards the Democrats in national elections. Same with Minnesota and Wisconsin. But Wisconsin has a conservative governor so who knows. Minnesota is a strange bird. They lover their liberals. Washington loves the liberals except for those on the eastern side who are mostly conservative and independents. But not enough of them to matter.

I'm voting yes for charter schools this year. Competition is good.

Artful Dodger: This morning I learned my state went from "safe" (electoral votes secure for Obama) to "leaning towards" (Obama). Oregon has always (in my memory) thrown its support to the Democratic candidate. We were one of the few states who supported Carter's re-election. I'm not sure if Washinton was one of those few states or not, but I wouldn't bet against that. I'll have to look this up to be certain of it, but I think only three states gave their electoral votes to Carter. (Carter vs Reagan)

Iamon lyme: Mitt will continue to surge in the polls. ;)

The Col: Anyone can vote in those polls. They are basically meaningless. That was an online poll.

Here's a poll that has Mitt winning: http://www.therightscoop.com/poll-who-won-the-3rd-and-final-presidential-debate-tonight-between-mitt-romney-and-president-obama/

Bwild:You're right: Obummer lied and then lied some more. He has no shame.

The Col: Dick Morris, a superb political strategist, gives the win to Romney. Romney was very effective in the debate despite being sick. Obama had several very bad moments. BTW, we still use bayonets. Duh.

(V): Fetal pain is not bs. Doesn't matter in the larger picture because it's morally wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without just cause.

Bwild: Obama looked to me more like an angry sullen student looking at his teacher, but not really listening to him. Every once in a while it seemed like he actually heard what Romney was saying. I could see both of their faces on split screen. When Obama talked his face cycled through the same expressions, angry then concerned then thoughtful then angry etc etc... but sometimes he looked lost, like he forgot where his own narrative was heading.

On split screen, Romney was always looking at Obama like he knew who he was listening to. But when Romney talked it seemed like Obama was trying to drill a hole in Romney with his patented jedi death stare. Romney must have had his shields up though, because Obama's death stare didn't faze him.

The Col: I didn't say "during the three" debates. I was talking about last night's debate. If you were "paying attention" you would have noticed that.

Mitt came prepared for a real debate, and it was obvious Obama thought he would have the same advantage going in that he enjoyed in the first two debates. I understand that you saw something else, I get that. But I don't need you to tell me what I saw or heard because I'm able to do that for myself. So thanks for trying, but no thanks. Me big boy, me can think for myself now. LoL

Iamon lyme: quick study... the look on Obama's face the last half of the debate was that of a student listening to his teacher.
When Mitt said what he would do in the middle east really had Obamas attention. Obama knew he was out-classed.

The Col: regardless of the polls...I felt Mitt carried himself more as a President should.
yomama was always the wrong man for the job. just my opinion.

Iamon lyme: "interrupting" ? I don't care which candidate you support, if you think Obama is the one most guilty of interrupting during the 3 debates you're either not paying attention or so much in the bag you have lost all objectivity

for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsAdBEsZw8

Bwild: Mitt impressed me right from the start of the debate. He was the first to talk, and Obama wasted no time interrupting him and cutting into Mitts two minute time limit. Mitt wasn't a bit fazed by this, almost as though he was expecting it. He let it go on for a few seconds before "interrupting" the interruption and continued to talk as though nothing had happened. Losing a few seconds of his two minute time limit didn't hurt him, because it served to showed Obama's utter lack of respect and a penchant for breaking the rules. Obama is a quick study, but I think he realised too late that this last debate would be by the book.

Bwild: Don't take my word for it, all the polls say he won fairly big.I find it interesting that both Democrats and Republicans agreed Romney won the 1st debate, but for some reason Republicans can not stomach the admission Romney might lose a debate, regardless of the polls overwhelming results pointing that way.

Fox News poll on who won last nights debate

Obama 53.19%


Mitt Romney 46.81%

The Col: I didnt see it that way. seemed to me mitt walked thru yomommas bs about the "lies" and has a great outlook on middle east strategy..
just getting rid of yommama care will be a big feather in OUR countries cap.
not to mention small business reforms that will be a economic boost to OUR country.

Big debate win for Obama, better to finish the debate schedule on a high note.

Artful Dodger: Is the BS about pain ended?

(V): killing the unborn has nothing to do with real life?

Artful Dodger: Really... if you want to think that, go ahead. It makes your case easier for you to 'be the moral one' .... ... that it has nothing to do with real life is irrelevant to you.

"And the baby feels tremendous pain in an abortion."

At what age of development? Please get your basic facts right, it stops all this BS.

(V): feels nothing about killing their child?

And the baby feels tremendous pain in an abortion.

Iamon lyme: They definitely want to suppress the truth about the ONE. Even the ONE wants to do that. Hence all the stonewalling etc.

Iamon lyme: And we shall call you Bruno... "know what I mean Harry"

Artful Dodger: The mother to be feels nothing, the father to be (if it's a normal relationship) feels nothing... so you are saying

"Do you mean in the unborn child? Explain"

Basic biology.. look it up yourself.