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(V): The comparison is funny.

(V): I still have faith in the hand shake / word is bond. However I do believe people are more mistrusting of others these days.

Iron fist / velvet glove (or silk glove) is an expression describing someone who is autocratic but who has a softer exterior. So I was referring to the person.
With Bush it was easy, just an iron fist, but you knew where you stood with him.
With a velvet glove, this is a very dangerous combination, does one thing, says another.

Mélusine: He's not well thought of over here. Bit to much "Maggie Thatcher" in his style!!

(V): Impossible to discuss with him : he sees nothing, he hears nothing. It's the reason why so many people are actually on strike.

Mélusine: Been seeing it on the TV... Sarkozy should of known better then to cross the French people when it comes to discussions of national matters.

SL-Mark: In olde days... a mans word/handshake was his bond, it is still reflected in the likes of the stock exchanges floor trading.

'Madoff's' would be nigh on impossible.

As for Iron Fist.. Is that the government within government Clinton went on about? The protection of the almighty gOd of the material world called profit??

See the news about strikes in France :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11580492

Bernice: 65 it's very late.

Mélusine: no you retire when the Govt. thinks you should LOL....at the moment it is 65 for men and about 63 for women, but that will change in 2012 when they bring in the new ages.

Bernice: Ah yes. So, you can retire when you want ?

Mélusine: we dont have to contribute anything....we pay taxes on our money is all.

Bernice: We have to contribute, to work, during minimum 40 years and it will be 41 years in 2012.
And for you, how many years ?

Bernice: The minimum we have is :
for 1 person : 708,96 €uros/month (973,98 $)
for 1 couple : 1157,47 €uros/month (1590,15 $)

Mélusine: The base rate for a single person is just over $700.00 per fortnight, and for a couple it is about $1100.00

Mélusine: I see :) our pensions are all the same base rate, but then it depends on how much money/property you own. you are allowed to own about $300,000.00 worth of property/cash before you get penalized I think...

Bernice: The government pays a pension but it's not very simple because people also get a particular pension scheme according to the job they had before.

Mélusine: Do your people get Government pensions when you retire or do you have to fund your own retirement?

Bernice: Yes, here workers are on strike since 9 days, the situation is difficult, there are many manifestations, and workers have blocked refineries so it becomes difficult to get petrol for the car. It's also difficult to travel because actually very few trains.
French people don't want to work after 60 because they want to live as they want, to travel, to make things they don't have time to do when they work.
The problem is also that our president Sarkozy does as he was deaf and rejects all the negotiations, even for hard jobs as building jobs.

Melusine: I heard on the news this morning where France is raising retirement age to 62 and the french people aren't very happy. 12 Months ago our Govt. raised our retirement age from 65 to 67....and hardly a word was said about it. In my opinion if a person is healthy and able to do his/her job 65 is too young to retire. The Govt. here also gives an incentive to people who wish to work beyond retirement age for 5 or more years a $30,000.00 (thirty thousand dollars) payout to do so.
Why would you want to retire.?

Pennsylvania voters can't afford cap and trade legislation, says Sarah Palin. And that's why they need to send Republican John Raese to the Senate.

Except that John Raese is the Republican nominee in West Virginia.

SL-Mark: I know, my comments were rhetorical

The Col: But that's part of my point. Of course they aren't. Presidents are selected not elected.
Obama has already committed high treason against his country and reneged on all his promises. But were we surprised? Of course not, he dances to the tune of the puppet masters.

SL-Mark: Realistically thinking, do you really think multi billion dollar corporations are going to hand the keys to a private citizen who just happens to capture the imagination of slightly more than 50% of those who bother to vote?

I mean really, think about it

(V): Some might argue the destruction started in 1888, others might point to more recent times, e.g. 1913, 1953 or the 1980s.

For sure Obama did not create the mess, but he is the puppet that is overseeing the demise of the US.

Remember he did promise real change. That is why he was elected. All he gives is platitudes. An iron fist with a velvet glove.

Don't know what handshakes and honour has to do with it.

SL-Mark: It was destroyed before he came into power.. lax regulations on the financial market are never good. The time of the handshake being a matter of honour in business is dying.

The Col: where's my million?

SL-Mark: BOC? don't fear the reaper

The Col: Tomorrow is the BOC Rate Statement as well as the Overnight Rate.

And in the afternoon, we have Mr Bubbles himself talking in Fairfax.

SL-Mark:

The Col: Exactly!

SL-Mark: that's just garbage

The Col: Just imagine, with the CAD so strong you can buy even more of the USA's number 1 export

CAD also correlated to oil price.
When currencies become commodities, commodities become currency.

SL-Mark: Bubbles: Ben Bernanke

We're still hovering around par,I'm still holding a grand US cash that I have yet to exchange from my trip to Vegas a month back.........I think our strong dollar is more a reflection of the very weak US buck

The Col: Furtermore, has your economy improved so much that you can explain the phenominal recovery in the TSX?

Trim Tabs cannot identify the source. "It did not come from the traditional players..."

Bubbles Ben has the answer.

The Col:

CAD was briefly at par with the USD last week.
65% of your exports go to the US.
Figure that?

SL-Mark: by The Illuminati of course

The Col: An inner circle! Most attendees are there to have their strings pulled too.

SL-Mark: Bilderberg controls everything, it's nice to see someone enlightened

Why do discussions perpetuate the rights and wrongs of left and right? We are approaching DEFCON3 and the discussions are still fixed on Albania.

There is only one puppet master (the real power brokers) who control both left and right, the press, with global influence. Obama is merely a puppet and he is currently destroying the US economy. It has worldwide repercussions.

(V): If I had a dollar for every Christine O'Donnell and Palin I dated back in the day........

Artful Dodger: Saying you have two children and then don't.... did they die? Was it like some of these "Who's the daddy?" progs where you are told you have two children and then find out you are not the father??

Not a good analogy... Politicians have to compromise at times.. it goes with the territory. It's not like when Bush claimed the conflict was over in Iraq, it's not like when the Republican government tried to claim Saddam had links to the Taliban.

Beck said on one of his shows that people use to pay to come into the USA, quoting some old regulation. When someone checked on that regulation, it applied to the last years of importing slaves into the USA and that the government taxed $10 a head.

I cannot see (unless his research crew are corrupt) how he can make that level of a mistake...

btw... why is Christine O'Donnell hiding so much about her College past?

Artful Dodger: Considering that the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck are by some thought of as reliable commentators on current political events.. it is a point. That they do make mistakes.. and seemingly lie on certain matters just to make their point 'bigger' does put doubt into any reasonable mind on the validity of their political bantering and the message they are fronting.

As to your contention that Obama is a pathological liar.. just because he says 'X' yet.. through having to put things through Congress and the Senate what he says becomes 'XY' is pretty normal in terms of how things work in the world of politics. It does not make him a liar, it makes him someone that has to get policies through both houses which are greatly affected by the lobbying system.