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18. 三月 2010, 00:03:32
Mort 
题目: Re:
Bernice: The bit about 'witches' was in connection with sex outside marriage and the laws relating to what you did if accidents happened. The use of 'sages and gurus' is allowed... just don't over use them. Have a little suprise in your life or end up like Leto II the God Emperor

18. 三月 2010, 08:28:10
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Copy errors abound although the vast majority are inconsequential

Artful Dodger: Who made the decision about which copy errors were inconsequential & which ones were not?


 


18. 三月 2010, 08:42:41
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: churches turned it (the Bible) into a religion.
Tuesday: When did the Catholic Church write its "own" Bible?  IMO, they took books that were written earlier, & the church made its own decisions about which ones were inspired by God.

18. 三月 2010, 14:56:23
Mort 
题目: Re: "The church" did not decide what books went into the Bible. The catholic church wrote their own bible.
Tuesday: Aye, but in the J Witness version it was not there. Neither are there notes on where the 7 days came from (Egyptian standard week.. they worked out the year and seasons)... On the metaphorical and story like nature of evil and the devil. That there are four distinct 'hells' and related meanings to the words that is lost in the use of one word.

Moses was brought up by the Egyptians, and despite 'tales' they understood a one God principle and even taught as much.

For about fifteen centuries the interpretation was constrained imho.

18. 三月 2010, 18:25:13
Pedro Martínez 
No book that says that night and day and evening and morning on the Earth existed earlier than the Sun, is worth reading.

18. 三月 2010, 19:02:05
Bwild 
题目: Re:
Pedro Martínez: I agree, Pedro.

18. 三月 2010, 21:21:07
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Re: Copy errors abound although the vast majority are inconsequential

Artful Dodger:   "Most deviations in the texts are grammatical or omissions."  How can you possibly be so sure of this assertion with over 5K copies done by hand?  In addition there was at least 75 yrs of oral before anything was written down.


Tuesday:  The books that went in the Bible were "set" in 4th Century at the Counsel of Nicea by a vote of about 15-14.  Hardly a consensus for something absolutely inspired by God.


Pedro:  The Bible is worth reading for general directions on how to live a spiritual life through profound story telling.  But, IMHO, it is not an accurate historical or scientific compilation.


18. 三月 2010, 22:07:38
Mort 
题目: Re:
Pedro Martínez: Light and dark.. more meaning then just illumination and the various ways that word can be interpreted. Some olden religions while supporting the big bang theory (but in another way) still make sense.

The establishment of time is an important point.. from when there was no time.

18. 三月 2010, 22:10:12
Mort 
题目: Re: there is not one "error" that affects a Christian doctrine.
Artful Dodger: You are right there. Doctrine and dogma are man made things. I'm sure God did not want us to go burning a sacrifice to God in order to stop bad luck.. Witch burning!!

18. 三月 2010, 22:45:14
Mort 
题目: Re: ike I said the English were harassed tortured, murdered for just tryijg to get the word translated...why?
Tuesday: Because the Roman Church liked power. Seriously, it's the main religion in the west due to murder, torture, imprisonment & excommunication. 10's of millions have died thanks to people fighting over who was right in interpretation and of power. The Jews have faced several times persecution and genocide at the hands of Christians who thought they were in league with the DeViL... for just doing there job and making Christ live.

18. 三月 2010, 22:47:44
Mort 
题目: Re: Textual criticism is a science and it's an exacting process.
Artful Dodger: I agree to a degree.... that leap of understanding when you 'jump' from darkness to illumination and the stages within.... that is not definable, science cannot define God.

18. 三月 2010, 22:51:55
Bernice 
题目: Re: "Most deviations in the texts are grammatical or omissions." How can you possibly be so sure of this assertion with over 5K copies done by hand? In addition there was at least 75 yrs of oral before anything was written down.
Artful Dodger: can somebody tell me please how light availability changes with daylight savings???

19. 三月 2010, 00:42:03
Vikings 
题目: Re: "Most deviations in the texts are grammatical or omissions." How can you possibly be so sure of this assertion with over 5K copies done by hand? In addition there was at least 75 yrs of oral before anything was written down.
Bernice: the time of day the light is available changes by 1 hour with the time change, for example sunrise is at 6:00 a.m. and sunset is at 7:00 p.m. and then the time changes and sunrise is at 7:00 a.m. and sunset is at 8:00 p.m.

19. 三月 2010, 01:01:22
Ferris Bueller 
题目: Textual criticism is a science and it's an exacting process.
Ferris Bueller修改(19. 三月 2010, 03:53:29)
Artful Dodger:   Just as an aside note, I've noticed an interesting discrepancy.  You state that the majority scientist who study these text are on "your side".  You cite them as absolute proof of your argument.  Yet, you don't accept the findings of the vast majority of scientist who say that global warming is partially man-made. 

19. 三月 2010, 08:56:55
Mort 
题目: Re: ike I said the English were harassed tortured, murdered for just tryijg to get the word translated...why?
Tuesday: Hitler is not the only one to use the Jews as a scapegoat. One or both of the main protestant fathers put forward the idea that the Jews were evil and needed extermination due the their involvement with Christ's crucifixion.

And yes religious wars are in name only, so are those who persecuted various Christian sects, including Christians sects who picked on other Christian sects.

19. 三月 2010, 13:04:09
Mort 
题目: Re: ike I said the English were harassed tortured, murdered for just tryijg to get the word translated...why?
Tuesday: It's complicated being a person of Jewish faith. The story is when the covenant with God was made via Moses, every single Jew was present. Past, present and future.

It's like anything... a name of a faith. You be British and a Jewish person, etc. It's like being Muslim, Christian, Druid, Wiccan, Buddhist, etc.

19. 三月 2010, 18:56:34
rod03801 
题目: Re:
Tuesday: Strange that they are calling it "Happening Now", yet the time stamps on most of the video was October and November of 2002. Weird.

21. 三月 2010, 16:53:42
Mort 
题目: Re: for example
Artful Dodger: How does he plan to expand Head Start, and what are the others programs?

22. 三月 2010, 02:30:28
Bwild 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: I hope everyone looks hard at those that voted yes, and do their best to see them never reach a political office again.

22. 三月 2010, 09:27:13
Mort 
题目: Re: for example
Artful Dodger: Each county here looks after the schools in it's area. Yes, the government makes policy, though the use of resources is down to the county council. In cases of children with learning problems, each school has specialist teachers.. The use of a school specifically designed for children with learning problems although open, is just one of those options available. Each child with special needs is assessed each year (at least once) to see where they need to be and what they need.

Parents are part of this system, and can have say in their children's education as well as the usual .. help learning at home through homework, etc.

23. 三月 2010, 01:10:39
Vikings 
Vikings修改(23. 三月 2010, 01:11:33)
there is supposedly a line in the amendment that does not allow for a repeal for 25 years, but since no ones knows for sure as to what they voted for accordingly to Pelosi, we will have to wait to see

23. 三月 2010, 01:41:44
Bernice 
Bernice修改(23. 三月 2010, 01:44:50)
I see where 10 states are considering suing Obama....can they do this?

that is on the "Health Issues"

23. 三月 2010, 01:47:22
Vikings 
题目: Re:
Bernice: states can opt out of this health care plan by invoking the 10th amendment, I believe that 8 have already and mine will if the incumbent loses in november

23. 三月 2010, 01:47:04
Bernice 
题目: Re: Tea Party Rally

23. 三月 2010, 01:50:38
Bernice 
题目: Re:
Vikings: but can they take legal action against Obama.....that is my question.

23. 三月 2010, 02:18:00
Vikings 
题目: Re:
Bernice: yes

23. 三月 2010, 04:45:58
Ferris Bueller 
题目: The Dems excluded the Republicans from crafting the Health Care bill.

Artful Dodger:  Thats not exactly true.  There were 200 Republican amendments that were included in the HC bill.  The Republicans think it will be politically expedient for all of them to vote "No" to make it look like they were not included in the process.  Maybe the public will see through this charade.


Tuesday:  the 34 Dems that voted against the bill are on the dole of the insurance companies just like almost all of the Republicans.


23. 三月 2010, 08:44:38
Mort 
So.. while 40 odd million Americans go without health insurance and your health insurance companies keep upping their charges.. it's still a matter of politics?

You guys really need to get over this "socialist" thingy.

I don't get it.. your health system is a mess in that it is costing you in the USA too much, too many cases of people being turned down for treatment over silly reasons and many people are suffering due to lack of access to decent health care.

With everyone required to pay into the health system, that to me cuts down on what the current payers have to pay.

imho

23. 三月 2010, 19:49:07
Mort 
题目: Re:
Artful Dodger: Well, I doubt the whole system will be overhauled. I must say though it takes guts to challenge your health companies and their lobbyists

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