cd power: I don't have anything against anyone either - in fact, I don't recall ever having a problem with any user on this site. I don't even know who the user is/was or the reason for the ban.

My point is: the person was banned, for whatever reason, and has now returned. If Fencer gave that person permission to return, that's fine by me - or rather, I couldn't give a crap about it. If he hasn't, then it's a ban violation.

MadMonkey: If that is really how the site is going to be run now , i think you will find ALOT of people leaving - Ian, pleeeeease! You are a smart guy and you know it is not true.

: I also have never participated in this conversation, but to me, it's simple: If someone doesn't like the guy, put him on block and don't join BG Race tournaments that he's in. Then, just go about your life instead of filling up the discussion board with this nonsense. Let Fencer run this site however he wants to. I doubt anyone will quit over this, because this site is too great, but if they do, then that means I don't have to read their complaining on the discussion boards.

I don't have anything against anybody... only you can choose whether or not something or someone bothers you.

Roberto Silva: I 100% agree with you. If i Ban someone from my local bar for what ever reason, and they come back the next day and say 'Oh , its ok, i am someone else now, everything is going to be ok' i DO NOT think i would let them in.

Pedro: If that is really how the site is going to be run now , i think you will find ALOT of people leaving, Never heard such a crazy idea

And just to add, i have never had anything to do with those involved ion this converstation, and so have nothing against anyone. Madness !!

Roberto Silva: If anything is absurd, it's the very last paragraph of yours.

I would like you to tell me why should a person returning to a site under a new account after having been banned be banned again if they publicly admit that they are the same person and at the same time they make it clear that they are intending to obey the rules of the site. I just don't get it. You would be punishing the person for showing good manners, when they could easily keep creating new and new accounts and acting the same as before?

And I believe you should get used to the fact that "Roberto Silva" is nothing but an account here, as well as "Pedro Martínez", "bumble" or whoever else. If the site owner decides to ban me from here, he is banning "Pedro Martínez", not the real me. He blocks the access of "Pedro Martínez" to BrainKing, he doesn't come to my house and take my computer away. By the way, would you be willing to spend hours or days by considering the evidence on whether two accounts are indeed used by the same person? It is probably not the case of BK, but at some websites the site admin could possibly face a lawsuit if they ban someone without justified reasons.

The bottom line is: you DO ban accounts, not people.

Pedro Martínez: That's absurd. A ban is a ban, and the banned person can only return after getting permission from the site administrator to do so. That's the rule in every web site I know. As far as I know, this hasn't happened.

New accounts from banned PEOPLE (known as sock-puppet accounts) are closed the moment they are discovered. Yes, it's true that administrators can't be expected to monitor every account, but once they're informed of a particular account they ban it as well.

The concept of banning an account but allowing the person to come back is something I have never heard of in so many years on the internet. Accounts don't violate site policy, people do.

That's like saying that if you commit a crime but change your name you can no longer get arrested because it was a different name that commited it

(V): I couldn't care less about your opinion on me being informed over "matters." I asked you a simple question, you have failed to answer, instead you come up with some gibberish.

Pedro Martínez: Then I don't think you can be fully informed over matters. Just an opinion.

(V): Because of the lack of the time and the nature of the way of the banning

Sorry, I have no idea what part of my previous post is this a reply to and how it is related to what I was getting at.

Pedro Martínez: Because of the lack of the time and the nature of the way of the banning.

You are missing the point of LJ, that person got banned for a long time, and by all accounts, the person in mind was as worse or close to, hence the bans.

(V): And LJ was already back a long time ago.

(V): What exactly is your problem with allowing accounts that cause no trouble at all to stay unbanned from this site? I mean if Jamie continues acting in the same manner as he did as LMINY, I am certain Fencer will ban him again. But from what I've read so far, he seems to have taken a lesson.

Pedro Martínez: LJ is back... after how many years?? We are not asking Fencer to track every account, just to adhere to a reasonable banning period, which we all thought from past site bans (and big bans) was in place. Otherwise... what is the point of them happening? Everyone who's been banned might as well be let off being banned as of this moment if this account is allowed straight away after the extent of the ban and how it came into place!!

Would someone be so kind as to send me the new id of this player.Because if your talking about who i think your talking about,i don't want to chance getting in another never ending backgammon race with him! Thanks in advance.

(V): Yes, LJ IS back on here and he does behave. You don't even know about him. Why would anyone want to ban him again? And the same applies to LMINY. As long as he does nothing wrong under his new account, as he claims not to intend to do anything like that, I see no reason to take any measures against him. Moreover, you can't expect Fencer to track and verify every account that might seem to belong to a person previously banned, can you?

Bernice: Rose explained it best.

Imsoaddicted: He was given that account!!

Bernice: i think you are missing my point
if ppl are to thick skinned and arrogant to see they not wanted
whats the answer


we also know he didnt create the account he on right now he took it over from someone else
so in my eyes that person is has guilty has what he is

MadMonkey: Well, Fencer knows, and Fencer has seen the evidence (ie the person admitting to that they are the banned person) .... it's in his court now (as per the tennis pun)

Imsoaddicted: ah but as was said below....."Fencer doesn't have time to babysit".......crap....

MadMonkey: Just shows what some people are like, obviously banned for whatever reason, yet they must think it clever to return. Some people just dont know when they are not wanted

well said couldnt of put it better myself

(V): Surely if the site owner bans you from the site, it means you are no longer wanted there for what ever reason (and the owner should not have to provide one).

Just shows what some people are like, obviously banned for whatever reason, yet they must think it clever to return. Some people just dont know when they are not wanted

MadMonkey: The person is openly admitting who they are. Their excuse is "Fencer never told me I couldn't create another account"

Bernice: Well, sadly it is true.

Anyone can create as many accounts as they wish although it is strictly against stite policies. Although Fencer can not always determine if accounts belong to the same person. If the person chooses not to say anything to anyone, then no one would ever know.
In your case, if tthe person is openly admitting that they are banned then IMO they should be remoeved, BUT often it is not as easy as that

Pedro Martínez: I fear I can´t take this comment very serious. An account can never behave itself it´s always the person behind that is responsible and that has to accept the consequences. That means (in my opinion) if somebody is banned, the person is banned and all his connected accounts (old and new, if traceable) for now and in the future, untill the ban is over.

Pedro Martínez: Sorry, but I don't get that. You as we all know it takes alot to get banned from the whole site. And as in this case, the person was banned in stages from much of the site and normal things.. Then to be allowed back on...

Is LJ back on here??

And it is a person behind each and every account. I do admit that in some cases it is hard to prove wrong doing and the level as such is not worth the effort to track down someone (such as the various multi nicks on this site) .... But a site ban use to mean a site ban.
In the past, such as the cave incident.. the people had to be given Fencer's ok to come back.

This is why people are a little perplexed by the current matter being discussed.

Pedro Martínez: Then that means that anybody can get banned and come back as another name....I would like to see a poll done on how the "users" of BK think of that....not too good I don't think. But thanks for your input :)

Bernice: I believe it is the behavior of "accounts", not "people", what should be considered in terms of banning. If the person whose name cannot be mentioned here does not violate the BK rules under his new account, in my opinion there is no reason to ban him again.

Bernice: as long as there is money to be made, there is never a true ban.

I have a query...there was a person banned from here (the entire site) not too long ago....can someone tell me how or why he is allowed back under a different name and he actually admits to being the same person that was banned?

Thad: there is a setting for auto-refresh, if you keep that at 5 min or less it will appear that you are always here while you are logged in

Pedro Martínez: OK, I swear there used to be a setting for that. Maybe I need a brain check. ;-)

Thanks!

Thad: No, there isn't. BK deems you to have logged out after 5 minutes of inactivity.

Isn't there a way to set how long your status remains online without reloading or clicking on a page before you appear as offline? I can't find it.

Pedro & coan.net: ok, just needs re-wording then

Have to have a discussion or some suggestions i think about a re-design (dont tell Fencer lol) of that whole signing up process.....put them together on the Facebook page

MadMonkey: I also believe if a team has 0 members signed up on the team, it will also not show. But yes, Pedro is correct - if a team already has enough players, it will not show.

MadMonkey: Yes, I am. Once a team reaches the required number of players, it is not shown among the "teams open to join" (or whatever it is called). And yes, I agree that "teams looking for players" would be more appropriate.

Pedro Martínez: Are you sure that is the reason, i am sure it was not there yesterday when i set it as main team

Either way, it should still be there as the Team is still open, maybe the Open teams to join: should be changed to Teams looking for Players: is you are correct

MadMonkey: It is not there because there already are enough players on that team to sign it up.

I am not in any Pente Team (not shocking really as i am rubbish at it lol). Anyway, there is a Team Tournament coming up, though when i look at the Tournament, i see this:

Match type: Normal game
Tournament type (?): two games (switched colors) for each two players
Minimum number of teams: 4
Maximum number of teams: unlimited
Maximum number of teams per section: 8
Number of team players: 5
Time control (?): 5 days 5 hours, standard vacation
Status: open
Last term to sign up: 25. August 2009, 04:00:00

You are not a captain of Pente team.

Open teams to join: Radost z vítězství (4), ☼ ¥εstεrday's Wørld ☼ (3), Kapříci (3), ITALIANS DO IT BETTER :D (3), World Federation of Pente (3), The Teamplayers (2), Velká A'tuin (2), THE IMMORTALS (2), Club WebTV (1), Purple World (1), The Mercenaries (1), THE WELCOME MAT (1), The Sunshine Club (1), "Le" Club (1), ABSTRAKTA (1), Polish Power (1)

NOW, that is all very interesting, i can join any of those Teams (well, IF i was in half those Fellowships lol), but agreed, the Teams are open to join if i was a member of the appropriate Fellowship

So, my question is......WHY is the Madhouse Team not in that list ? Is it just because i am boss of it ?
Can someone else look who is not in a Team and tell me what they see please

Fencer: ah yes i had a feeling that might be the cause

Imsoaddicted: It happens when BrainKing is being restarted, due to small changes or upgrades. Such downtime usually takes only a couple of seconds and the site is not available during this time period.

Fencer: the page i keep going to is

fast browser search then gaves me a list of pages on brainking which i can click on to come back in..lol

Imsoaddicted: What is "a page outside of site"?

why today when i press on move button i keep getting taken to a page outside of site
its becomming very frustrating

nodnarbo: Fencer is in Tahiti, working on some new smileys, yeah right...

nodnarbo: Good idea. I just did it.

Fencer: How about adding this link somewhere in the description of the Feature request board. Most people don't go back in the archives of brainking.info very far to read articles, and I'm sure there are a lot who've never read that article, but would benefit from reading it.