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10. 十二月 2004, 00:03:36
harley 
题目: Re: auto vacation
I see your point Thad. All I can say there is, get to know the abusers of auto vacation, and make notes accordingly. I know it isn't practical to make notes on every game, but in time we'll get to know the games where we need to make notes.
Since auto vacation is quite a new thing here, we should probably give ourselves chance to get used to it before slamming it or asking for changes.

10. 十二月 2004, 00:02:11
Summertop 
that would bite...I wasn't suggesting to change it. I agree, it needs to be a different color.

10. 十二月 2004, 00:00:48
harley 
Oh no, its grey so people don't get mixed up between that and the normal message box. If I remember rightly, it used to be white when the feature was first introduced, but Fencer changed it to grey after a few people got mixed up and gave away their game plan!

10. 十二月 2004, 00:00:11
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
True, harley, but usually, in a game delayed by auto-vacation abuse, you don't know that you need to leave yourself a note until long after you made the move.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:59:05
Summertop 
I see where now...When it is my move, I can add notes After my move. The edit field just looks disabled because it is gray.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:55:42
harley 
You can go back later and add notes if you like. Look at a game where its your opponentes turn, under the board should be 'add note'.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:54:19
Summertop 
Did the notes feature on games change? It seems to me, that you must add your note before the move now. Whereas, it used to be you could add it after the move. Currently, I don't have any games waiting for me to move, so I can't double check it.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:49:18
harley 
Thad, thats why we have the ability to make notes, so we can record our thoughts on future moves and not forget what we were planning.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:46:45
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Kevin,

When a player starts taking very long between turns of a game that is at a critical juncture, it can be VERY annoying. In chess, for example, most moves are not individual moves, but part of a sequence of moves. If you have to try and remember what you were planning a week or two ago, it takes all the fun out of game playing, at least for me. Multiply that by a few games and the slow play starts to suck all the fun out of BrainKing.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:46:41
Maxxina 
Summertop : Thas a really good idea . And why dont do that to all games , add one columm allow autovacations

9. 十二月 2004, 23:44:18
Summertop 
how abaout a compromise (like we can do anything about, anyway). When a game or tournament is created, have an option to allow vacations. I don't care whether manual or automatic.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:40:58
Kevin 
Even if they have 50 games against you...what's the problem? Start 50 more. If this person only moves once a week, then once a week you'll have 50 extra games to play one move on. Or, start 10 more. Or none. Whatever. It doesn't have to be a problem, even if you like to play a move every 2 minutes in every game.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:40:57
Stevie 
题目: another stupid comment Kevin
If they don't want to wait for the time limit, they shouldn't have joined the tournament


time limits are reasonable, but autovacation makes a mockery of it, a 5day limit is fine as long as auto vacation doesnt add 1 or two days every move

9. 十二月 2004, 23:39:10
Summertop 
Interesting way of puting it Kevin...

Now, don't get upset, I am just curious. Are you out of vacation days? The last two games I had with you, you lost to timeouts.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:37:20
beach 
题目: Re:
that would be fine if the person who was abusing the system had only 1 or 2 games against you, but when it is alot its annoying, of course they will eventually run out of auto vacation time and time out,

9. 十二月 2004, 23:36:25
Kevin 
I read and understand your post very well, Steve.

Maxxina: If they don't want to wait for the time limit, they shouldn't have joined the tournament. Rooks still have and always have had 30 vacation days. The only difference now is nothing is required of the user to actively schedule them. So why did all the complaining start now?

9. 十二月 2004, 23:33:25
Maxxina 
Kevin : People in tournament , if it is a prize tournament will be really "happy" wait for someone 2 or 3 years .

9. 十二月 2004, 23:32:46
Stevie 
read mine again LOL

9. 十二月 2004, 23:31:49
Kevin 
Read the last sentence of my previous post again.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:31:02
Stevie 
Stevie修改(9. 十二月 2004, 23:33:54)
stupid comment Kevin.
and Why should we take on more games? then struggle to keep up?

9. 十二月 2004, 23:30:05
Kevin 
What I'd like to know is why rooks are complaining about someone moving slowly against them? I mean seriously - why is it such a big deal if a game (or 50, or 100!) take a year (or 2, or 3) to finish? If you're out of games to play start more. If you're not, play the other games and don't worry about that one.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:28:33
Maxxina 
I like the idea what was said here before , 3 autovacation days for month . It will be fair for everybody . If you go somewhere , you should use your regular holidays what you got in stock :)

9. 十二月 2004, 23:26:15
beach 
题目: Re: auto vacation
thanks to everyone for the thoughts on the auto vacation, I think it is a great idea, and tend to agree that perhaps only a certain number of auto vacations should be able to be used per game, of course those that abuse the system in the new year will quickly run out of days, and will time out

9. 十二月 2004, 23:24:44
Summertop 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Jules, were you talking to me...I think buy a membership, get all the vacation days entitled. Start a game, take 30 days straight vacation and never have to move for over a month...Is OK. My only request is to change how many of your remaining vacation days can be used (sequentially) automatically.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:21:39
Mort 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Game time limits help me order my game play Steve :)

9. 十二月 2004, 23:19:52
Mort 
题目: Re: auto vacation
But the way you say, If you've only joined for 3 months you only have 9 days vacation.
I think the current system is fair. Everyone gets the same. Apart from the knight rook differences.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:17:34
Summertop 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Summertop修改(9. 十二月 2004, 23:18:16)
I think there shouldn't be any changes to how vactions are given. Just how they are used. If you manually set up your vacations, great! If you are relying on auto-vacation days, like I said, only give as many as the game's Time Per Move settings.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:14:05
Stevie 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Its a point to consider though

9. 十二月 2004, 23:12:49
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Stevie, that's not the point of this discussion at all.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:11:36
Stevie 
题目: Re: auto vacation
more to the point......why on earth are there game move time limits now that auto vacation is here?

9. 十二月 2004, 23:11:35
Chimera 
题目: Re: auto vacation
You can't carry over vacation days from one year to the next. Unless i'm mistaken :)

9. 十二月 2004, 23:08:51
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Well, then you either enjoyed using most of your accrued vacation in December, or just joined and probably don't have that many games going anyway and can plan accordingly in either event.

9. 十二月 2004, 23:08:21
Mort 
题目: Re: auto vacation
How can I plan games, someone else might go on vacation.

As for favouring those who have been here longest.. why? We all pay the same (apart from gold rooks)

9. 十二月 2004, 23:06:57
Chimera 
题目: Re: auto vacation
What if you wanted to go on a two week ski vacation in January but had only accrued 3 days of vacation time?

9. 十二月 2004, 23:02:49
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Jules,

(asked in a friendly way) Why wouldn't it be fair? True, it favors players who have been here the longest, but if it treats everyone the same, it's fair. Plus, in your example, you'd know far in advance that you were going away July, so you could plan games you start in May/June accordingly. No harm done.

9. 十二月 2004, 22:57:03
Mort 
题目: Re: auto vacation
But the whole point of vacation days is that it is to cover vacations and times when things go wrong with your computer :)

People might misuse it, but most don't.

9. 十二月 2004, 22:53:29
Summertop 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Auto vacations are annoying...but...eventually they will run out. How about this...only allow as many auto-vacation days as the Time per move. For example, if the game has 3 days for the time to move, then only allow three consecutive auto-vacation days. If it allows 2 weeks then allow two weeks of consecutive auto-vacation days. That way, it is still somewhat in line with what the game creator had in mind.

9. 十二月 2004, 22:41:49
Mort 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Wouldn't be fair on someone who joins and then 2 months later goes on their annual vacation for 2 weeks.

9. 十二月 2004, 20:12:13
ScarletRose 
题目: Just wanted to mention..
BBW.. it was a pleasure reading your interview.. and getting to know more about you.. Thanks for sharing..

And Harley.. great job with organizing it.. and putting it together..

:)

9. 十二月 2004, 20:08:49
ScarletRose 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Great Idea Thad!! that is a great idea!!

9. 十二月 2004, 20:07:50
Thad 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Many people accrue vacation days over time at their jobs. They don't start out with the full allotment of days. If vacation time were handled that way here, it would be much better. Perhaps give out 3 vacation days each month. It wouldn't solve every case of abuse, but it would reduce and/or eliminate many of them and I don't see how it would create any new ones.

9. 十二月 2004, 19:59:57
ScarletRose 
题目: Re: auto vacation
Yes.. I agree BBW.. I just checked on the one user that has abused this.. only to learn he has 623 games going.. I don't know how many were in the last few mins.. but, a large portion of his games were in their final hours..

Why is he allowed to have so many games to begin with if he isn't going to play on them..

9. 十二月 2004, 19:56:49
Chimera 
题目: Re: auto vacation
That's great in theory. But hard to do if your in hospital or your puter has burst into flames and the maker won't do anything about it untill their representative comes down from the City and takes a look at it. Only he's just started his two week vacation.

9. 十二月 2004, 16:00:30
coan.net 
题目: auto vacation
The only thing I would like to see is possible only allowed to use 5 autovacations at one time (with 2 weekend days, gives a week to get back to the site)

After that, a person would have to manualy set vacation days for them to work.

9. 十二月 2004, 15:43:23
Hrqls 
thanks :)

(you are too fast :))

9. 十二月 2004, 15:42:52
Fencer 
About 200.

9. 十二月 2004, 15:41:57
Hrqls 
题目: most users online
just being curious : what was the most users online on brainking ? and when ? and what is the average about lately ? :)

9. 十二月 2004, 13:51:20
Hrqls 
the only change i could see is that auto vacation days wont be used if a player was online the during the last 12 hours or so

otherwise it shouldnt be that big a problem to rooks does it ?

for pawns playing with someone using auto vacation its another matter though ..

9. 十二月 2004, 13:34:43
beach 
题目: re auto vacation
is there anything that can be done by those that are abusing the system, with auto vacation, I have a player whose games keep adding 24 hrs they never play the games will the auto vacation run out at the end of the year, it certainly slows the process of the games

8. 十二月 2004, 22:23:57
Bernice 
rofl Stevie :)

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