Walter Montego: Walter, I think you missed the point. Let ME try to be simpler. In a normal game 0 is the minimum bet. As such, any bet of 0 is perfectly legal. Also it will guarantee you falling into the poind. I am saying that in our game 19000 is the same: perfectly legal, but guarantees your exit.

Instead of a minimum starting bid, maybe there can be parameters set up to change how much everyone starts with.

If everyone has 1000 at the beginning, that would be the same as a "minimum 19000" bid to begin.

Then you can just play normally.

Stevie: me too. quite simple.

I would say if mimimum bet is 19000...then minimum bet should be ok :oD

Actually it is the lowest bet, not the minimum bet that drops you in the pond. Just in most cases boath are the same.

Czuch Chuckers: Then what is called the minimum by your logic isn't really the minimum, is it? I've listed both cases and you still aren't grasping it. The next time you set up one of these Minimum Bet Pond games would you clearly, let me repeat that, clearly state exactly how much must be bet on one's first turn?
It says 19000 and you ask for it as the minimum, then 19000 is acceptable as far as I can see. If you really mean 19000 + 1 or more, please state that. Then I'll know the real minimum is actually 19001 and nothing will have changed except that. Then you'll have someone bet 19001 and someone wil bet 1856 and you'll be right back here arguing the same thing we've been arguing about all day, because it's still the minimum and it doesn't change nothing.

Czuch Chuckers: Precisely. Minimum bet, by definition, drops into the pond. I don't understand eny other interpretation.

If someone bids the minimum bet ( o ) in a normal game, they are gone, it should be the same in every game... If you bet the minimum bet you should be out of the game.

I know what you are trying to do - and that is get a game to start with 1,000 points each - but that is not was is being done here (Fencer will hopefully get it set up do to this at some point.)

What is being done is a game that starts with 20,000 points WITH a minimum first bet of 19,000.... which is similar to a game that starts with 1,000 points - but not the same.

If you want everyone to bid above 19,001 in the first bid - then I would think that would be inportant information to have in the rules of the game before it starts.

BIG BAD WOLF: The only problem with that is if I set up a game where the minimum bid is 19,000 in a game where the person with the lowest bid gets booted from the game, then technically anyone who bids the minimum should be gone! I think bidding the minimum (lowest possible) and staying in the game just isnt right or in the spirit of the intended game.

I think this problem could be solved if I just made the rules a minimum 19000 bid and anyone who bids below 19001 will be asked to bid 0 the next round, then it would be clear from the beggining that anyone who bids below 19001 will be gone.

My fault for entering a game with those silly parameters. Never again.

end of subject me' thinks. well done Kitti.

BIG BAD WOLF:

Walter Montego: great minds...

If the rules say that the minimum first bid has to be 19,000 - and someone bids 19,000 - well then it is within the rules set by the creator.

I would think if the creator of the tournament wanted the first bid to be at least 19,001 - they would say that in the rules.

.... to get upset at someone who bids 19,000 is like getting upset at someone who bids 100 and gets the 500 point bonus and make 400 in a round - Good bet - glad you got lucky with your bid.

... and feel lucky you did not end up in the pond

grenv: You know, I think you're just looking at it wrong. Think of a minimum bid set at 19,000 as a requirement to bid more than 18,999. That's how I look at it. Anyone that bids less than the minimum is out. If someone wants to chance that someone will do so, that's their perogative. It happens in the regular course of a game all the time. When someone has no points left, they're not out of the game yet. They still can bid 0. Everyone else knows this and can bid 1. Same thing, though risk free.

fencer:
Czuch Chuckers: As it is set up now, if we all bid exactly the minimum, we'd all go in the Pond on the first round and the game would be over!
Removing players should be something that should be available. I do think that if a creator wanted to remove a player he should have a referee make the final decision as to doing it and not be allowed to arbitrarily remove people. That would be fencer's job. I doubt if it would come up much, especially after this power was exercised a few times and if the same person continues to do it you could ban them from playing in the Pond games. If fencer doesn't want to referee the games, I'm sure we could find someone impartial enough to take the job. Or even a moderator here could do it. fencer could serve as the final board of appeal in cases where the person or persons believe they should be allowed to stay in the Pond game in question. In fact this might be a way to have someone resign too. It could work both ways. I think it is something that should be looked into.

but until parameters are set, betting 19,000 in a minimum 19,000 has got guts.... if everyone plays to the rules set out (like in your games Czuck) Kitti would have been out first round. To me, it's like betting "1" whilst pre-empting other players will bet "0".

grenv: I also agree woith you too. I think anyone who bid below or at the minimum should be required to bet 0 the next turn, but that is just one of the problems with not being able to set up our own parameters and those of us that like to experiment with those types of games have to put up with.

Walter Montego: Although I agree with your assesment and strategy in these games, I do think that the intent is to play a game where everyone starts with 1000 points, for example, it just never seems to work this way, although I would like to see people play the way the game should be not the way they can. But like you said, one day we will either be able to start a game with 1000 points or someone will get burned hoping for an "idiot" play.

it's actually quite simple. Normally the minimum bid is 0. If you bid 0 you will drop out.

In this game the minimum bid was supposed to be 19000. therefore if you bid 19,000 you should drop out. The fact that someone else screwed up their bet is irrelevant.

I think it must be too difficult to have the option to remove players once the game has begun, since even Fencer himself has not removed players who have been already removed from the whole web site, yet are still in the pond games.

One way to eliminate people doing that is to have the creator be able to remove people that don't play by the rules or limits. Have any of the Pond creators petitioned fencer to remove players? You'd only have to do it if more than one person bid under the limit, but if that was to happen there'd be know way to fix the game without removing those players.

kitti: Your argument is exactly how I see it. Risky as it is to bid in that manner and rely on others being stupid or just messing with the rules. A minimum is a minimum. You have to bid that much or higher. What's the problem? IF the creator said 19001 and you bid that much, it's the same thing. This is a lot different than if the game started with everyone at 1000 points. Until the creators have that option, this is how it'll have to be and anyone playing can use it as part of their first bid strategy.

Some day you'll play with people that can read, follow instructions, and proofread their typing, and you'll be out on the first round. I wouldn't hold my breath until that day comes. Even so, I doubt if I ever bid that much.

kitti: and i supported you....

grenv, about the 19000 bid in a minimum 19000 bid pond. I noticed your comments just now, i would have answered earlier if i had seen them before. I did bid the minimum allowed and did not get splashed into the pond. Sure it is the minimum allowed, but in most of the minimum bid ponds someone does not play by the rules. I haven't seen one where everyone actually did bid atleast the minimum. So in most of them the lowest legal bet gets to stay in the game. Why would a bet of exactly the minimum be dealt differently than any other lowest legal bet? In most minumum bet ponds the lowest legal bidder gets to stay in without any questoning. I think it should be the case even if you bid the lowest amount allowed, if there is someone bidding under the low limit.

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nope.......

hehehe. Are you going to bet with me ? :D

it'll be you... lol

Bry: i really know you would like to know :) But im not going to tell

think i've got this one in the bag too... eh Furbster... lol

http://brainking.com/game/Pond?g=21

i'm in that too!!! what u bettin then Maxxina????

much more interesting pool :)

http://brainking.com/game/Pond?g=56

tell us now pal,,,,, we cant stand the suspense....

The problem is the 4 players left are so close - a bet of 7501 is the min bet to make sure you are safe - but if 2 don't bid that high, 1 of them will end up above you. OK, I know what I'm going to bet. You will find out what it is in about 20 hours!

:))

if someone bets 2500, they will go swimming

Vikings: i've got the game in the bag.... LOL

Vikings - Dont be so sure :) If they bet around 2500 and i bet something over 4000 . Im in deep trouble

that 750 point lead is huge at this point

BBW - you are right :) after this round who will be first IS winner :)

Fencer - can we have a "submit and to next pond" button in Pond games?

Maxxina: Bid too high and you might lose your 1st place position - bid too low and you might fall into the pond. You are actually in the worse position - most to lose. The person with the highest points after the next round will be most likely to win I believe.

its a suicide

998

actually i dont how much i should bid :)

BIG BAD WOLF: lol.

Bry: Great for the tip Bry. 1002 it is!