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1. юли 2004, 19:56:57
Brian1971 
Относно: BuilderQ
Like I said the formula was modified when Brainking adopted it for its rating system. I am sure Fencer could explain it better than me. Of course liek I said I play more for fun and less for rating.

1. юли 2004, 19:55:02
Brian1971 
Относно: andersp
Sure i guess there could be a problem. there will always be some who will not like it. But that is their problem and not yours. Everyone who is on a team in a fellowship should have an opportunity to play. If it were me I would let those who signed up first get the chance. If someone wanted to play but was too late in signing up then too bad. However then I would say whomever played in one tournament should give someone else who didnt play a chance in the next one. Or possibly do a blind draw and rotate the team each tournament so everyone would get a chance that wants one.

1. юли 2004, 19:51:49
BuilderQ 
Brian1971: If this site really used the US Chess Federation formula, my rating would always be raised by less than 16 points for winning against a lower rated player.

1. юли 2004, 19:49:46
Andersp 
Brian. Dont you think there can be a problem if someone with lower "rating" is picked to a team?

1. юли 2004, 19:45:17
Stevie 
Относно: woooohooooo
My 6th game just completed, and its put me on there now :o)

1. юли 2004, 19:45:13
Brian1971 
Относно: backoff
Then there may be a bug. That would be Fencer's department.

1. юли 2004, 19:43:51
Brian1971 
Относно: andersp
I would agree with you about the rating fomula but like I said I dont worry too much about it. I figure if I win more than I lose, it will be a good number, if I lose more than I win, then it will be a low number. As far as fellowship teams, depending on the fellowship, you may be able to play team tournaments for your fellowship, if it is an open sign up offered for tournament. Meaning that the captains or Big Boss says first come, first serve despite rating. So your point of BKR meaning more, may not always apply. However yes it might mean something to some fellowship captains or bosses.

1. юли 2004, 19:43:32
Backoff 
But there's two people on there so there IS one.

1. юли 2004, 19:40:13
Brian1971 
Относно: Stevie
Must be a bug or like I said before, since it is a new game, a table hasnt been established yet.

1. юли 2004, 19:37:17
Stevie 
Относно: Brian
I am not on all rated table either, nor is backoff

1. юли 2004, 19:35:59
Andersp 
I have never cared about rating but since the rating decides who will be picked to the fellowship teams i think it will be more important now.
Must say that the formula is very weird if you lose 46 BKR if you lose to a player with a lot higher rating and only -13 if you lose to a player with lower rating. Should be opposite.

1. юли 2004, 19:32:31
Brian1971 
Stevie: Of course you wont be on the established table until 25 rated games are completed. However check the table with all rated players.

1. юли 2004, 19:31:15
Brian1971 
Stevie: It is possible since it is a new game.

BuilderQ: It is the US Chess Federation formula. However it is modified for BrainKing. For instance if you beat a significantly weaker opponent you gain little or no BKR. If the formula was exactly applied you would lose points in this example. So if you can access the US Chess Federation Formula for calculating a rating number than you can figure it out.

1. юли 2004, 19:29:52
Stevie 
ooops found it now, but me not on it

1. юли 2004, 19:29:44
Backoff 
lol tell me about. My BKR is 2500 in Amazons lol. Till BBW gets done with me :(

1. юли 2004, 19:27:42
Stevie 
Относно: Is there not a ratings table for Amazons?
I have a bkr but no rating and cant find it :o(

1. юли 2004, 19:26:01
BuilderQ 
"...Impossible to compare..." Not if I knew the rating formula.

1. юли 2004, 19:23:08
Brian1971 
Относно: ratings
First off I play for fun and ratings second. However remember the formula is a complicated one. There are a variety of factors based on both you and your opponent. Number of games played, quality of oppostion, wins-loss-draw record is taken into account as well as your current opponent that you beat or lost to. It is impossible to compare why you gained or lost more points than your opponent or gained or lost less points than your opponent. Their game record is going to be different than yours based their own record and game history and opponent history. I look at ratings as an afterthought as I use it to find games against opposition in the same range as me or higher. However if you play for the fun of it the rating number means very little.

1. юли 2004, 19:19:12
Fencer 
Because the formula works in this way.

1. юли 2004, 19:15:37
BuilderQ 
While we are discussing ratings, consider this:
From: Jokl
Date and time: 1. July 2004, 07:47:16
Subject: Your opponent resigned the game (Chess) (show game)

You are the winner.

BuilderQ: old BKR = 1886, new BKR = 1910 (+24)
Jokl: old BKR = 1840, new BKR = 1813 (-27)

Game type: Chess

Why did I get less than my opponent lost, especially seeing as I had played LESS chess games in total?

1. юли 2004, 19:00:50
LongJohn 
I agree that it is a little weird but I delete all mine and have no records.

1. юли 2004, 18:54:25
Andersp 
Antje...i compared..you lost to a player who had 369 BKR HIGHER than you and you lost -46 BKR.
I just lost to a player who had 165 LOWER than me ..and i only lost -13 BKR.
cant be right?

1. юли 2004, 17:39:12
IndiagonalJones 
I will support this motion about the Blue edge for loop from Christine and bwildman. Thanks!

1. юли 2004, 17:32:41
Antje 
Променен от Antje (1. юли 2004, 17:33:12)
i have a question about the BKR. (let me preface this by saying im not whining and usually dont care about my rating) Im losing a whole lot of points each time i lose, i was up over 2000, now im in 1500. ive been looking at the points im winning/losing, when i lose i lose i lose 40 some points, and even now when im 1600 and my opponent is 1900, i still lose 40 some points, i dont recall the difference being that dramatic before. am i just now more aware of it, or has something changed?

so if the luck of the dice is the usual decider, i need to win 2 to equal the loss of one game, and im dropping 40 points with each loss, ill be hitting zero before too long.

has anyone else noticed this?

*edited for a typo or two

1. юли 2004, 15:30:13
Fencer 
Of course.

1. юли 2004, 15:10:01
bwildman 
Относно: Re: loop chess
it does help distinguish the game.

1. юли 2004, 15:07:24
Christine 
Относно: loop chess
Fencer, would it be possible to get the blue edge around the loop chess board again?

1. юли 2004, 14:53:33
Fencer 
Ah-ha! Row layout and board at the top. That's a deadly combination :-D
I know how to fix it.

1. юли 2004, 12:31:22
harley 
Cariad, on your keyboard press 'print screen SysRq', then open up word and hit paste. You have your screen shot!

1. юли 2004, 12:28:21
cariad 
You could come along and join me in my account for a couple of minutes and take a look for yourself. I don't bite!

Much.

1. юли 2004, 12:26:50
cariad 
I don't even know what a screenshot is!

1. юли 2004, 12:25:09
Fencer 
Interesting. I will look into error logs. Can you, uh, can you make a screenshot of that page?

1. юли 2004, 12:23:26
cariad 
Fencer:
Yes, so I know who the invitations are from.

I noticed the red invite figure as I was playing a game so I clicked it directly, without going to the main page.

1. юли 2004, 12:16:46
harley 
And don't forget the flags! Hover over them to see the country!

1. юли 2004, 12:15:30
Niki 
Относно: new feature to add to list
just read the list of new features.. you may want to add that the red number that appears next to the message box on the left hand list, when hovered over reveals who the last message received is from.

1. юли 2004, 12:13:13
Fencer 
Can you see some invitation on your main page?

1. юли 2004, 12:11:48
cariad 
Oh!

1. юли 2004, 12:08:24
Fencer 
It works for me.

1. юли 2004, 12:07:05
cariad 
I don't know if this is part of the red numbers bug or has been covered before but:
when I pick up an invitation by clicking the red number the page gives no indication as to who the invite is from. There's just a game board.

1. юли 2004, 11:24:46
Fencer 
Next week.

1. юли 2004, 11:24:02
Stevie 
Относно: When...
...do you think you will unsuspend the game timeouts?

1. юли 2004, 10:43:46
ughaibu 
Thanks.

1. юли 2004, 10:33:41
Czuch 
Относно: Auto log in...
I have found that I am able to leave this site to browse or whatever, and do not always have to log in to get back here. Even after going to bed and coming back this morning, I did not have to log in, and even my connection was off. Is this an advantage of WebTV? I have heard others say that they cant even leave the site at all without having to log back in....

1. юли 2004, 10:13:33
Fencer 
As often as you want.

1. юли 2004, 09:56:20
ughaibu 
How often can one change one's picture?

1. юли 2004, 09:03:59
Bernice 
win98SE

1. юли 2004, 09:01:44
sandra... 
i dont have to scroll across either....

1. юли 2004, 08:47:21
Artful Dodger 
must be your settings as I don't have to scroll across..what are you running?

1. юли 2004, 08:37:37
Bernice 
I did post this yesterday or the day before but.....:(

Every message board (not main page or game pages)
all fellowship pages have to be scrolled across.
Is this something new or a bug?
it is a bit of a nuisance
I have looked for information on this but unless someone speaks different to me i might have misunderstood...

1. юли 2004, 08:17:04
Artful Dodger 
Относно: yes Bernice
you are on the team with me :) lucky you

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