but white can't physically move..! how would that work then? auto pass? :)

There is no stalemate in Atomic Chess on this site. In your example white would be forced to move into check.

stalemate is possible, though unlikely. Eg white king on b2, Black king on a2, queen on b1, another queen somewhere. White to move, if white moves to a1 and black moves the other queen to b2, white is stalemated. Black would have to be pretty dense to do that though!

As I said, on this site that is impossible, KxQ would not be allowed.

The only rule that seems different at other sites is stalemate, which is impossible here. Anyway this wouldn't come under that category.

Well, both Kings would explode if the black King would capture (sorry, I didn't remember) the white Queen

official rules? who knows if there are any. What would make them official?

I didn't understand what beating a figur is, but the king cannot capture anything on this site, therefore white wins.

You could create a rule that says if both kings are exploded it's a draw, but that isn't the case here.

Well, I think a different way. If the black king would beat the white queen, both kings would be removed. So for me it's a special constelation, in which the King could beat a figur. Im not sure if the king isn't allowed to beat a figur, because he would be also removed, or he isn't able to beat.

Are there any official rules of atomic?

... somehow, on the my diagram I had placed the queen at d1 and not d2 as BFG stated. I must agree with grenv then. Sorry for the confusion.

In this particular position white wins since black cannot move next to the white king on this turn.
e.g.
... Kc4
Qd3 Kc5 etc...

Since the black king can get close to the white king, and just chase him around from then on (preventing the queen from blowing him up because the white king would go in the process)... I think it's a draw.

I have got a small problem.
White: Ke1; Qd2
Black: Kc3
Black to move.
So what do you think? Is it Patt?

No castling is allowed in this game. I will fix the rules ASAP.

It's quite different from bughouse as the pieces remain constant unless there are promotions.

And all this time, I thought Chess was a Bughouse variation...

Actually i think the data does dissappear from the database. Not sure why, but this happens for virtually every game.

heh, wrong idea, the moves obviously are in database, just game browser somehow cant cope with that, I go get some sleep better :)

I was browsing some boards and wanted to look at that game, then wanted to look at the opening and I can see only empty board when trying to go backward to plies 33 and prior (whites 17th move). May be it has something to do with the way Fencer stores game data in the database, may be he just allocated too small space for atomic chess games expecting them to be fast. (when I wrote this last ply index was 107)

we call it Siamese Chess with 2 players

This is a win in 3 for white I think. I won't say how though :)

That is a long game but I have one which now up to move 56 with at least few to go ... here ... I think I have a method to achieve mate (as white) but it hasn't come to fruition yet. This is unusual but when you get down to a small number of pieces in the endgame then it can take even longer than conventional chess ... and interestingly in atomic given the scenario of K+Q v K is not a win if black can get the Kings together.

I just finished a 24 move Atomic game, which for me is pretty long. What's the longest game you've played?

yes

Isn't this variation also called "bughouse" and played with 2 boards and 2 players per team?

I believe this game was 'invented' by the editor of Games magazine some time back. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and see what his rules were.

Thad

in this game it wouldn't be a protecting move. But it may be a tactical move to expose a piece to the right spot...
I don't know wether it should be allowed or not (I don't know any 'official rules' to guide me by other than the ones on this site). But if it says the rules are 'the same as in regular chess with some exceptions' and castling is not in the list of exceptions then it should be allowed... or the rules corrected :)

I don't think castling is allowed...but my memory may be fuzzy..I remember that we had this discussion, grenv, because the king is of no particular importance it makes no sense to protect him..

that's strange. I seem to remember castling on one occasion, but it may have been another site. Doesn't happen often!

<why not add a queen, chancellor, archbishop, and janus to go with the maharajah? or maybe allow the maharajah to move twice. though I wish the graphic for the maharajah to be a dragon or something >.>.

I really want to use the chancellor, archbishop, janus, and maharajah against the standard chess set up. (even though the arch bishop and janus are the same)

an extreemly good friend of mine just said it looks like a giant royal chicken. lol

I agree. But if castling is allowed then why couldn't I do it? There was no piece I could take, the king wasn't in check nor crossing check or anything...
I just got surprised. I think that either there is an error in the implementation of the game or the rules should be updated then...

As far as I know castling is allowed.

Check and Checkmate make no sense so hardly need to be mentioned explicitely in the rules.

The rules should say:
"-There is no check or checkmate and no castling

(you know... that movement where the rook and the king move at the same time... at least I think that's what it's called :} )

Either that or I'm failing to see the reason why I can't castle in this game...

I agree with the people who don't like this game, though. It's only value is maybe training for real chess, or a real variant... and I hate to say this, but Chicken Chess is *boring*. I can't stay focused long enough to net the bird; I just fall asleep. *lol*

:P

I will try a new impregnable position next black, something like the Roman battle formation turtling around the king...!

if you'd have had one, for sure the same position would be not worse for white. *grin* ~*~

i thought I had one, Caissus, but i was disabused of that notion :(

Can you perhaps give an example for such an impregnable setup?

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i personally would also be against the automatic-move thing because i don't like computers doing anything on my behalf that i haven't told them to do. it's a little too 2001: A Space Oddyseyesque for me. a lot too, actually...

Not quite. Pawns can't join fellowships.

:)

I never said black has to play the perfect game to win, far from it. black can lose several pieces and still win. It is a pointless game.

Well, my guess is:

1. There are a few purists who might scream bloody murder if the rules for their game were tweaked.

2. Fencer hasn't yet discovered the best way to balance this game and is either still looking into it or letting us hash it out.

Just my $.02 worth.

And Chessmaster: You could be right about the three Maharajarahs. I haven't had a chance to test the playability of that. What was your starting position for them? I was thinking of placing one each on the rook and king positions, and allowing them to be checked or captured, as long as there is at least *one* Maharajarah on the board that is not checked.

If you need further balance, maybe we can restrict that to still having no checks or captures on White's side, but that seems a bit silly to me. Ah, well... I'm going to bed.

Why doesn`t Fencer balance this game? Does anybody know this? It could make this game more interesting.
For instance either by additional maharadjas or by my suggestion "Amazone chess" - on the board "other chessvariants".

OK, sorry for the little mess.

Thanks WhisperzQ, its appreciated.

Due to comments following Chessmaster's "PowerPygmie" post it has been edited as has another reference. By all means continue the discussion and when Harley's tournie is over reposted might be considered appropriate.