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Ask questions or just talk about different languages. Since BrainKing is an international game site supporting many languages, this board can be kind of useful.

Since we will be dealing with pronunciation of words rather than their spelling, I think it's useful to have a link to The sounds of English and the International Phonetic Alphabet.


To see translations of some frequently used phrases and sentences in other languages see Languages


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10. Октября 2009, 03:27:41
fukuhara 
Субъект: Another Chinese
Brainking has Chinese localization already. But as some of Asians know very well, there are two types of Mandarin Chinese, the style based on Chinese Character styles.

1 Simplified Character: Current BrainKing localization. Used in Mainland China.
2 Large-stroke Character: Used mainly in Taiwan and Hong Kong. And lots of Asian Chinese understand this version.

There are many softwares for converting simplified to large-stroke. But as a matter of integrity I propose that human translators of large-stroke version are necessary. Taiwanese may best fit for this job. And it is not so difficult because simplified Chinese is already there. (And new Chinese translator from Shanghai will fill the rest soon.)

28. Ноября 2009, 20:16:22
King Reza 
Is there any difference between the following sentences?

1) We were all tired BY the end of the day.
2) We were all tired AT the end of the day.

28. Ноября 2009, 23:23:07
Pedro Martínez 
Субъект: Re:
Сделано для Pedro Martínez (29. Ноября 2009, 01:55:55)
King Reza: I may be wrong, but I think that there is no difference between those sentences in terms of their meaning and effect. However, “by” implies some tiresome activity having been performed for some time before the end of the day and emphasizes the end of the day as the time when we were all tired as the result. On the contrary, the sentence with “at” merely states that we were all tired and when we were all tired, irrespective of what caused our tiredness and in particular when the cause of our tiredness occurred. (It was extremely hard to convince the Greenpeace people that the global warming is a hoax and we were all tired by the end of the day. vs We were all tired at the end of the day and none of us wanted to go to the movie theater.)

But I would definitely wait for a native speaker to comment on this. Who am I to interpret the English language? :)

29. Ноября 2009, 04:51:08
Bwild 
Субъект: Re:
Pedro Martínez:

29. Ноября 2009, 10:42:44
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
Pedro Martínez: Thanks a lot. You're really helpful.

28. Декабря 2009, 19:18:24
King Reza 
Is the following sentence OK?

I was running very fast after I had seen the huge dog.

28. Декабря 2009, 19:42:43
rod03801 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza: I personally would have said "I ran very fast after I saw the huge dog", but I imagine technically your sentence is fine.

Honestly though, I forget all those rules I learned in Junior High English with diagramming sentences. I know some were pretty strict.

28. Декабря 2009, 20:05:43
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
rod03801: Suppose you're saying that sentence as if you're telling a personal story for someone:

"One day, as I was walking in the forest, I saw a really big dog. After some minutes it ran towards me and I started to run away. Usually, I am not a fast runner. But, I was running very fast after I had seen that huge dog. ..."

Do you think it sounds OK in this context?

And thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.

28. Декабря 2009, 20:07:55
rod03801 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza: Yes, to me, it sounds fine.

28. Декабря 2009, 20:13:36
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
rod03801: Thank you very much.

29. Декабря 2009, 05:16:05
fukuhara 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza:
In general :
I was running very fast after seeing the dog
is enough.
But if you have already known the dog or if the dog has bad reputation for attacking someone. On that case, your original sentense makes sense to me.

29. Декабря 2009, 07:47:39
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
fukuhara: Thank you. I appreciate it.

31. Декабря 2009, 20:14:16
King Reza 
Could a native speaker of English (as well as anyone who's not a native, but good at it) tell me if the following tag questions are right or not?

1) You think I have two brothers, don't you?
2) I think you have two brothers, don't you?
3) I think you have two brothers, don't I?

31. Декабря 2009, 20:22:08
tyyy 
Субъект: Re:
Сделано для tyyy (31. Декабря 2009, 20:24:54)
King Reza: I would go with #1........ #2 and especially #3 do not work

1. Января 2010, 10:09:53
fukuhara 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza:
3) Sounds strange because the speaker ask what he think to himself. It is only possible in thought. But strange as a question.

1. Января 2010, 11:11:59
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
fukuhara: Perhaps it's wiser to state what I really have in mind rather than try to implicitly make native speakers confirm or reject it:

The tag question must be based on the main verb in the statement and must agree with the subject of the main verb as well, right?

In 1, there's no problem. I know that. But 3, grammatically speaking, is quite parallel with 1. So, again, grammatically speaking, 3 should be well-formed. However, it seems semantically speaking, it sounds odd.

2, on the other hand, seems to be grammatically wrong, at least as far as my knowledge of grammar says. But it seems to be OK to native speakers despite the fact that the tag question is based not on the main verb and its subject, but on the verb used in the embedded clause and its subject.

In other words, I want native speakers to tell me if a tag question can be based on the embedded clauses or not. Here are more examples which may help:


(For the sake of semantic problems, I won't use 'I' to start my sentences)

Statement: He knows you know she went out last night,....?


Possible tag questions:

1) doesn't he?
2) don't you?
3) didn't she?

(My knowledge says only number 1 is OK)

But, if I change the 'he' at the beginning of my statement with 'I', it seems things change:

Statement: I know you know she went out out last night, ...?

1) don't I?
2) don't you?
3) didn't she?

Here, it seems, based on the replies I got, that strikingly number 2 is OK, while nothing has really changed compared with the previous example.

I want natives to comment on my assumptions, please. Just tell me if they sound OK or not. Thanks in advance.

1. Января 2010, 15:12:26
tyyy 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza: 2 sounds best when making a veiled accusation, 3 would work if the speaker showed doubt about his statement,like after a pause "... didn't she?"

1. Января 2010, 19:48:12
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
GTCharlie: Ahh, I see. Thanks.

2. Января 2010, 02:55:26
rod03801 
Субъект: Re:
King Reza: Personally, I agree with you, in the post where you expanded upon your question. To me, each time, #1 is the only one that sounds correct to me.

2. Января 2010, 10:43:29
King Reza 
Субъект: Re:
rod03801: Interesting. So native speakers might have different ideas on the same subject. Thanks for your comment, and looking forward to seeing more replies from native speakers. You and your friends may not realize it, but you're of great help to me. I appreciate that.

7. Апреля 2010, 14:37:11
h657 
Can anyone tranlate this for me, please. Ahoj dnes som nabral odvahu a skúsim tento druh šachovej variacie, príjemnú hru. Štefan.

7. Апреля 2010, 15:42:47
aaru 
Hello, today I took courage, and try variations of this type of chess, enjoyable game. Stephen. - google translator ;)

7. Апреля 2010, 15:50:21
h657 
Субъект: Re:
aaru: thank you so much for your help :)

7. Апреля 2010, 15:52:50
aaru 
Субъект: Re:

7. Апреля 2010, 16:05:18
h657 
Субъект: Re:
aaru: this translate.google.com will help me enjoy not only playing but communicate with everyone around the world. Thanks again aaru. :)

8. Апреля 2010, 00:32:06
Pedro Martínez 
Субъект: Re:
h657: Hey, today I decided to try this chess variant. Enjoy the game. Štefan.

Google Translator sucks.

8. Апреля 2010, 03:26:42
h657 
Субъект: Re:
Pedro Martínez: Thanks Pedro! Yea, you're right, google translator sucks.

8. Апреля 2010, 08:39:27
aaru 
Субъект: Re:
Pedro Martínez:

8. Апреля 2010, 15:03:33
fukuhara 
Субъект: Google Translation
h657: Software translation has its limits particularly between Japanese and English is just terrible it still needs help from human experts.

8. Апреля 2010, 18:47:57
h657 
Субъект: Re: Google Translation
fukuhara: Thanks, but I'll keep using google translator for now. Let me know if you found another links worth checking on.

8. Апреля 2010, 22:52:11
Milioi 
Субъект: Re:
Pedro Martínez: I agree that Google Translate is not perfect, but it is much better to have translation from there, when you do not understand a word. You can at least find out what the sentence could be about. And anyway the translation wasn't so bad this time, was it?

9. Апреля 2010, 01:57:34
Gouwe gozer 
Субъект: Re:
Сделано для Gouwe gozer (9. Апреля 2010, 02:54:44)
Milioi: I agree with you but I started the same discussion a few months ago too and is hopeless in my opinion Some people here just accept ONLY the most perfect translation and all other translations are wrong, bull or worse so I didn't reply anymore
I use " http://imtranslator.com/ " and it gives another different translation. But it gives me the idea what way I have to think about a translation, that's important and enough in my opinion I didn't ask for a perfect line, I asked for a translation, and that's what I receive It is usefull for me

9. Апреля 2010, 09:39:20
Pedro Martínez 
Субъект: Re:
Сделано для Pedro Martínez (9. Апреля 2010, 09:40:03)
Milioi, Gouwe gozer: In my opinion, bad translation is always worse than no translation (and the translation of “príjemnú hru” as “enjoyable game” is as bad a translation as one can be). If people want to use Google Translator, so be it, but they should be aware of the fact that they will rarely get a translation of the original sentence, especially in the case of linguistically distant languages.

9. Апреля 2010, 11:19:53
puupia 
Субъект: Re: Google Translation
fukuhara: Translation Party is a quite amusing application. It translates english phrases into japanese and then back to english. It continues translating between those two languages until it gets same english phrase two times in a row. Phrase in this link is from the description of this board. Experiment with different phrases and you might get some amazing results.

I have very limited knowledge of japanese but i still find this site very good fun. It should be even better if you're fluent in both languages. It really shows how automated translation still has a long way to go.

9. Апреля 2010, 13:52:54
Pedro Martínez 
Субъект: Re: Google Translation
puupia: LOL, it's fun indeed. I typed “What the hell are you talking about, moron?” and it ended up with “Do you like silly stories?”

17. Февраля 2012, 01:18:44
lizrising 
Субъект: Slovak to English
Can anyone translate this? Google Translate gave me gibberish.

Toto bol hod samé jednotky.

17. Февраля 2012, 06:04:55
Walter Montego 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
lizrising: Pedro might be able to help you. I am waiting for his return to continue a few games. I'm sure he'll check out your post when he returns. He has extensive knowledge of many languages, though I do not know if he knows Slovak.

"This was the very hour drive." <----- Is what I got.

I tried Google translate. The words make sense, but without context it looks like gibberish to me too. Are the Slovak words spelled correctly and in proper tense? I was told this language, Czech, and others in this area can be very strict on these things.

17. Февраля 2012, 13:21:23
lizrising 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
Walter Montego: I got the same translation. It was said in my opponent's first move in a Ludo game and I have no idea what that might mean.

17. Февраля 2012, 13:26:26
vino 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English (translation)
lizrising: What a roll! Three times one!

17. Февраля 2012, 13:28:25
lizrising 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English (translation)
vino: Thank you! That makes a lot more sense.

17. Февраля 2012, 14:36:57
TAROU 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
Сделано для TAROU (18. Февраля 2012, 00:14:18)
lizrising: "It was very the journey of hours." ( It was the very time travel )

I translated your sentence into Czech by using "imTranslator", and into English by myself.
So I have no confidence in it...

Toto bol hod samé jednotky.
maybe... Toto=The, bol=(it) was, hod=of hours, samé=itself, jednotky=journey

21. Февраля 2012, 00:12:01
Milioi 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
TAROU: Toto = That, bol = was, hod = (dice) roll, samé = only, jednotky = ones (on the dice)

21. Февраля 2012, 15:03:22
TAROU 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
Milioi: Oh. Good! Thank you very much.
It looks as if I made a terrible wrong translation. Will you tell me its Czech translation for my learning, if you please?

21. Февраля 2012, 23:49:06
Milioi 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
TAROU: Czech translation is very similar to Slovak version, it could be like "To byl hod, samé jedničky."
It is just quite interesting how could get from "jednotky" to "journeys" :)

24. Февраля 2012, 14:47:28
TAROU 
Субъект: Re: Slovak to English
Сделано для TAROU (25. Февраля 2012, 04:49:13)
Milioi: Thank you! I knew they were alike...
imTranslator changed the sentence to "Byl to sami hodin jízdy".... what did the translator think of it??

17. Мая 2012, 00:11:05
Carl 
Субъект: Estonian
Does anyone know how to write this in Estonian please. Please use auto pass.

19. Мая 2012, 01:33:37
Walter Montego 
I have missed Pedro Martinez. Does anyone here or elsewhere know what has become of him?

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