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6. Helmikuu 2013, 15:27:56
Carpe Diem 
Otsikko: Mancala
Muokannut Carpe Diem (6. Helmikuu 2013, 17:19:31)
I think Mancala is one of the most skewed games when it comes to first move advantage - 63% - 33%. Does BK ever look at rules tweaks when there is a heavy bias like this?

If so, I think a simple shift in points to win as white would be worth looking at. At the very least, I think ties should go to black. I know I feel like I've won when I get a draw with black.

6. Helmikuu 2013, 18:46:53
Roberto Silva 
Otsikko: Re: Mancala
Carpe Diem: Horde chess is another example of imbalance. I think the only effective solution to that is to only play 2-game matches for those games. Of course that's a problem with random game tournaments.

6. Helmikuu 2013, 18:49:38
cd power 
Otsikko: Re: Mancala
Roberto Silva: And let's not forget about Maharajah chess... that is probably the worst offender of all the games. If I play the black color, I am 100% guaranteed victory in 24 moves. Anyone who does not believe me, then send me an invite where I am black and I'll prove it to you!

6. Helmikuu 2013, 18:54:22
Raistlin 
Otsikko: Re: Mancala
cd power: Maharajah chess would be easy to balance : add two more white Maharajahs. For horde chess, its harder...

6. Helmikuu 2013, 20:30:27
Thad 
Otsikko: Re: Mancala
Pente is that way too. The advantage is not significant for novice players, but expert players rarely lose as Player 1.

In games like these, I think the BKRs should be calculated as follows:

Calculate BKRs separately for games in which the player moved first (Player 1) or second (Player 2). Calculate the percentage of the player's wins that come as Player 1 and as Player 2. Multiply each BKR by the player's winning percentage **of the other position**.

For example, if player has a BKR of 2000 as Player 1 but only 1800 as Player 2 and was Player 1 in 70% of his wins (meaning he was Player 2 in only 30%of his wins) then his BKR should be 2000 * .3 + 1800 * .7 = 1860.

This system usually produces better BKRs than the curent system. And it never produces worse BKRs than the curent system, at least not in any situations that I can think of. I can think of situations where this system wouldn't give a very good result, for example, when a player plays as P2 exclusively. but the system we have in place now doesn't give a good result in these situations either.

6. Helmikuu 2013, 20:31:30
Thad 
Otsikko: Re: Mancala
It's my understanding that in Reversi is biased as well but that in Reversie it's actually Player 2 who the advantage.

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