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22. Noviembre 2009, 14:45:07
Chaos 
Asunto: poll
Celticjim: when do we let the poll end? On the list Bosse made some time ago he counted 19 players reading this forum. Should we ask other players in the the small fast #1 and open fast #1 who don't seem to read this forum to vote?

20. Noviembre 2009, 12:54:32
Sandoz 
Asunto: Re:
Celticjim: it works & done!

20. Noviembre 2009, 12:09:03
Celticjim 
ok try this one and see if people can vote

http://www.yourfreepoll.com/zazclsimsp.html

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:58:01
Chaos 
Asunto: Re: Poll
Celticjim: you create a poll letting only you vote?

Maybe it's because we all get in through the same link from here at BK.

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:39:26
Celticjim 
Asunto: Re: Poll
Modificado por Celticjim (19. Noviembre 2009, 20:42:21)
SL-Mark:

Mark,it automatically filtered for one vote per i.p. and cookie so maybe we share an ip address or something cuz I'm the only one who's voted ---*shrugs*

*edit*---somehow missed Erics post saying it told him same thing-----dang cheap poll

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:36:23
Sandoz 
Asunto: League Event
well, I vote for open fast espionage with a two day time limit.

but, I'm fine with small fast espionage, too.

the main issue for me is, that we start a new league event.
really looking forward to that. and big thanks for organizing, Bosse! :-)

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:07:52
happy hermit 
Asunto: Re:
Celticjim:

Apparently I had already voted as well. :)

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:05:06
SL-Mark 
Asunto: Re: new tournament
Chaos: Not too bothered about variant, and time limit 3 days + weekends seems to be a balanced option.

19. Noviembre 2009, 20:02:48
SL-Mark 
Asunto: Re: Poll
Celticjim: It's a fix!
It won't let me choose my preference! It comes back and says I have already voted

19. Noviembre 2009, 19:46:33
Celticjim 
lets vote
here's a poll I just made.It's for type only.Perhaps someone else could do another poll for time limit?

http://snappoll.com/poll/316276.php

19. Noviembre 2009, 18:46:53
Chaos 
Asunto: new tournament
Isn't there much interest in the messageboard lately or are there just a few of us who want the new tournament? Tell us hear what you want!

16. Noviembre 2009, 09:25:32
Chaos 
Asunto: Re: "The Italian Disguise"-tournament
SL-Bosse:  2days + weekend (I already voted for Small Fast).

As soon as a start day is agreed I think signing up could start. I'd set the start date a little later than 1 december, but I'll join if it will be the date.

16. Noviembre 2009, 07:04:51
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re: Agenda
Chaos: You asked a week ago about the name, and I propose we change to Espionage League

16. Noviembre 2009, 07:03:05
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: "The Italian Disguise"-tournament

It seems like <span>"The Italian Disguise"-tournament will be a "Small Fast Espionage" with round robin. The mainpart so far have asked for two days + free weekend. But it also asked for four days + free weekends. Any more votes? Is it time to sign up? And with a start on 1st of December?


You can read more about the leauge on this webpage: http://hem.bredband.net/Leauge/


14. Noviembre 2009, 17:11:45
Nothingness 
Asunto: Beginners tourney
Yes excellent idea! The espionage.sabotage games came in a specific order on IYT. It grew with us and it should grow here the same way. The only variant that should not be touched is the plain original version due to time constraints. Other than that the small espionage is a much faster version that the IYT version due to random volcanoes. You only become a great player by making your weaknesses your strength.

14. Noviembre 2009, 16:26:56
Tian-Xian 
I did mean play espionage variants with different people by putting those games on as waiting games.
If players here have the opportunity to try a variant and someone chats with them, SL could grow

14. Noviembre 2009, 12:50:13
Chaos 
Asunto: Re: VERY Important
Tian-Xian: I don't think it's any use to play anything other than espionage variants in the SL if that's what you mean, Tian-Xian. As individuals we could try to get our opponents in other games interested in espionage though. I don't know if I agree with Nothingness. Isn't Small Fast is the easiest variant to start with, because it's fast and the games are short? It's the least demanding game. Or is that just me speaking? ;)

 

We could try to set up a beginner's tournament, we once did that at IYT. That turned out quite well. Who won that tournament again? I think he turned out to be a great player. We could ask the beginners what variant they like to play.

14. Noviembre 2009, 10:30:56
Tian-Xian 
Asunto: VERY Important
I agree with Nothingness, if you look at Waiting games out of 298 only 2 are for any variants of Espionage.
Only if you play new opponents and get them interested in a different game will SL grow.
True they will sometimes be complete beginners but we all started sometime & I probably still play like a beginner - sorry

14. Noviembre 2009, 01:16:00
Nothingness 
Asunto: VERY important
if we expect to recruit new blood here I suggest that we have a variety of game types i know that some of us only like to play certain variations but if we want to recruit new player we will have to suck it up and play all versions to at least get them hooked.

13. Noviembre 2009, 15:27:54
lukulus 
I think polls are available just for fellowships and global BK matters.

13. Noviembre 2009, 13:16:58
dAGGER 
Asunto: Re:new tournament
SL-Bosse:
my vote is for 2 days, weekends on, vacation on.
Maybe a poll can be useful.........

13. Noviembre 2009, 11:34:50
Tian-Xian 
If it is 2 days will we still have weekends off? I don't play as much at weekends

13. Noviembre 2009, 07:54:45
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re:new tournament
Styleone: In the Open Fast, two players didn't more or less even start their games, so these timeout I think is not due to the shorter time. Two players had problem during the games with time control, so I can not totally agree on that it is a lot of games timed out due to the shorter time. With two days instead of four, it will give a much faster tournament. I vote for two days. Is it possible to set up a poll here?

13. Noviembre 2009, 00:50:25
Styleone 
Asunto: Re:new tournament
I vote for a new small fast tournament, after the first one is finished.The last open fast tournament shows a lot of time out games, so I vote for 4 days for a move.

12. Noviembre 2009, 03:36:17
happy hermit 
Asunto: Re: new tournament
Chaos: At our current pace, our round 2 section will finish this month. :)

11. Noviembre 2009, 13:58:18
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re:
Celticjim: Chaos. She has won over all the players who can reach 3 points. So she will get the highest S-B. Or?

11. Noviembre 2009, 13:18:54
Celticjim 
so who wins SF number 1?

I vote for small fast too

11. Noviembre 2009, 12:37:31
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re: new tournament
Chaos: And I think it already now is clear who wins the SF#1. So concrats!!!

11. Noviembre 2009, 12:23:01
Chaos 
Asunto: new tournament
I vote for Small Fast 48 hr + weekend.

 

Small Fast #1 is almost finished, while the second round of Open Fast #1 has just started, with a third waiting after that. Two Open Fast tournaments at the same time is quite a lot, at least for me.

10. Noviembre 2009, 21:09:01
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re: Webpage
SL-GentleKiller: I have got some input from SL-Mark and Resher about gramatic and spelling on the webpage. Thanks. Th corrections has to wait untill tomorrow due to business trip.

10. Noviembre 2009, 18:54:42
SL-GentleKiller 
Asunto: Re: Webpage
Well done, BOSSE!
The webpage will be very useful for posting results, pairings, rankings, etc. So we can organize homemade tourneys. Great job!
I vote for Open Fast, 48h+weekends

10. Noviembre 2009, 18:21:48
Thom27 
Asunto: Re: S-B
dAGGER: points: for every won game a player gets 1 point, for every drawn game (s)he gets 1/2 point.

S-B-points: for every won game a player gets as many S-B-points as the opponent has (normal) points, for every drawn game (s)he gets 1/2 times the number of points the opponent has.

10. Noviembre 2009, 17:05:01
rod03801 
Asunto: Re: S-B
dAGGER: Here are some links of some of my tournies where S-B was a factor:

Sunshine in June Game where each player has 1 game and S-B points came in to play

Masters 2 Game where each player has 2 games

Fast Start - First 5 - Massacre Chess #2 game where each player has 1 game each, but the S-B points tied as well

10. Noviembre 2009, 16:59:14
rod03801 
Asunto: Re: S-B
Modificado por rod03801 (10. Noviembre 2009, 17:12:56)
dAGGER: Of course in a game with 2 games for each player, it gets a little more complicated, but the way of figuring is basically the same.

If someone wins both games against someone, they get double the number of wins that person had (In S-B points). (So, if player A won both games against player B, and player B had 2 wins, Player A gets 4 S-B points for those games against that person)

If someone wins one of the 2 games against someone, they get the number of wins that person had (In S-B points). (So, if player A won only one of their games against Player B who had 2 wins, Player A gets 2 S-B points for those games against that person)

If someone loses both games against someone, they get no S-B points for those games against that person

10. Noviembre 2009, 16:58:22
rod03801 
Asunto: Re: S-B
dAGGER: Again, they are only used when people have the same number of points from wins of games. They break the tie.

I'm not sure I can describe how they are figured, very easily.

Basically, you figure them by looking at each instance when someone wins a game against someone else. You get a point for each win that they had.

For example there is a 4 player section. Players are A B C and D. Player A won only their game against player B. Player B won their games against players C and D, Player C won their games against A and D, and Player D won their game against player A only.

So, when you just go by "wins", player B and C tied. So, Brainking would then go to the S-B points.

Player A has 2 S-B point. (He only won against player B who had 2 wins)
Player B has 3 S-B points (He won against C who had 2 wins, and D who had 1 win)
Player C has 2 S-B points (He won against player A who had 1 win and player D who had 1 win)
Player D has 1 S-B point (He won only against player A who had 1 win)

Now, since the Tie was between B and C (2 wins each), B actually wins the section because he had more S-B points. (In other words, he is considered to have done better, because he beat players who did better)

Does that make sense? Maybe I'll find an actual link to a tourney where this came in to play.

10. Noviembre 2009, 16:48:59
happy hermit 
Asunto: Re: S-B
dAGGER:

Player A's S-B points are the sum of the points scored by the players that Player A wins against plus half the points scored by the players that Player A draws against.

BK's wording is a little more awkward.

10. Noviembre 2009, 16:34:17
dAGGER 
Asunto: Re: S-B
rod03801:
someone knows something more about the S-B points?
The explanation given here at BK is not so clear.....

10. Noviembre 2009, 16:21:15
rod03801 
Asunto: Re: S-B
Dark Prince: Just one quick note about the S-B here at Brainking. The ONLY time S-B points have any relevance here, is when there is a tie in "points". (So the S-B points work as a "tie breaker") SO, if I am looking at the correct tournament, it appears Happy Hermit has won that section, regardless of how that last game turns out.

Maybe you have already figured this out. I'm a day or 2 behind in the conversation.

10. Noviembre 2009, 01:39:23
Nothingness 
Asunto: rules...
the rules here are in favor of an aggressive player since both pieces are not removed when the same ranks are in battle.

9. Noviembre 2009, 20:17:41
SL-Mark 
Asunto: Re: revealing "bug" = italian disguise
Thom27: Wholly agree with you. However, Fencer has stated this is the way it is played here and the balance of opinion seems to be neither one way nor the other. At the very least, the rules should make this very clear, which they presently don't.

9. Noviembre 2009, 19:48:32
SL-Mark 
Asunto: Re: Combate v Stratego
Resher: I have never played Stratego, but in trying to uncover what Combate is, came across the website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratego
Interesting reading. There are even world championships in this game!

9. Noviembre 2009, 18:33:24
Dark Prince 
Asunto: Re: Draw
dAGGER:
I wouldn't consider making such a presumptuous request. In fact, once I was informed that round 2 would not begin until all games of round 1 were complete, I discussed with Thom continuing our game though the offer of a draw had already been made. I then accepted the offer and am happy to have an interlude with no games here before the 2nd round begins.
Enjoy your game!
Jared

9. Noviembre 2009, 14:21:42
Resher 
Asunto: Combate v Stratego
Hi - I'm hoping for some help from the international players. 

About 20 years ago I used to play this game against my cousin in Brazil and used his rules (from the Brazilian version called Combate) instead of those from my slightly different UK version (called Stratego).  All these years later I can't remember the differences, just that I preferred the Brazilian rules.

Is there anyone out there who can tell me the rules for Combate, please, as this site has rekindled my interest?

9. Noviembre 2009, 13:55:41
Thom27 
Asunto: revealing "bug" = italian disguise
I'd vote for having the implementation changed, so that pieces are revealed only by spies not captured in that turn.

My main reason is that it is almost always possible to enter the piece-moves in a "safe" order, so that the captured spies cannot take effect in that turn any more. The rule variant has almost no effect on the game, except that players who don't know about the "bug" may have their pieces revealed unnoticed by themselves. It is just a trap for the uninformed.

9. Noviembre 2009, 13:40:23
dAGGER 
Asunto: Re: Draw
Dark Prince:
I'm sorry to see that my game with Brainsurfer is the last of the first round and it is not relevant for the second round.
It will not last for long, please don't ask me to resign now because I'm near to win.

9. Noviembre 2009, 01:03:16
Chaos 
Asunto: Re: Webpage
SL-Bosse: Great job Bosse! :)

8. Noviembre 2009, 22:42:15
*creepingdoom* 
Asunto: league tourney
I would be happy to join the league tourney but I dont always get on every day like I used to.
But I am considering it.
Nice to keep the league going like you guys have.
Its very good to see. :-)

8. Noviembre 2009, 22:15:15
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Webpage

I have made a simpel webpage http://hem.bredband.net/Leauge/. The most discussions will be at this Board, but if we should run our own tournament, I think we need a place to put up the pairing etc. My English is maybe not the best, so if I spell wrong or you find any other mistakes place tell me that.


8. Noviembre 2009, 20:43:56
happy hermit 
Asunto: Re: Agenda
Chaos:

I am ambivalent on the rule change and the league name.

On the tournament front, I'm not too interested in getting into a long tournament that doesn't accommodate all of the pawns that want to play. If a tournament gets put together that allows everyone to play than I am probably in as well whether it starts now or 6 months from now. Any variant works for me, but I think the open variants work better for big tournaments because they are faster. Perhaps mini rush, double round robin?

8. Noviembre 2009, 20:37:42
SL-Bosse 
Asunto: Re: Tournament
Chaos: I can be the adminsistrator for "The Italian Disguise"-tournament. It will be a tournament in the old IYT-standard. Which means we will not use BK-tournament-system, it will be with pairing and invitation. This will make a chance for the pawns to play and we can start as soon as we wants. Some questions about it. Should it be groups or eliminations? Should it be Open fast or Small Fast? Is it OK with 48 hours + weekends?

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