Finally! Now I know what that mask is all about.

You wouldn't believe all of the Guy Fawkes merchandise I've been looking at... coffee cups, key chains, hats, shirts, etc etc, and of course a variety of masks. There's even a cute little lego man made to look like the ominous and mysterious Mr Fawkes.

MissDelish: "...a naughty boy" lol

What's that red stuff on his pudgy cheeks?

He seems to have gained a little weight.

Go here for free money!

The Col: "...power has become more importent than the health of the nation"

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is what happens if you only repeat what you've heard over and over and over again.

The newly passed health care law is simply a bid for more power, it has absolutely nothing to do with improving health care. Tort reform that would put a cap on how much doctors and hospitals can be sued would have taken a very good health care system and made it better. Even the legislators who pushed for nationalizing health care know this. If they didn't know this, then I've been giving them a lot more credit for having brains than I should have.

One thing is for certain, the main goal of nationalizing health care is for the government to have even more control over an individuals life than they already have... they crossed constitutional lines a long time ago, and have continued to grab for more and more power since then. Do you really believe that this ongoing grab for power is supposed to be in everyones best interest?

The Col: "I don't consider wanting fair taxation to be an obsession with other peoples money."

Of course you are obsessed with other people's money, because if you weren't you wouldn't want the rich to pay their fair share.

As it is the wealthiest people pay more than their fair share, so are you suggesting they should pay less?

If there was fair taxation, you would be paying the same rate as someone with more money than you. And you would pay the same rate as anyone who makes less money than you.

Everyone knows what it means to be fair, so be honest and tell us exactly what you mean by "fair".

Some fun things you can do with your money after it becomes almost totally worthless.

The Col: I was actually expecting to catch a prize (V) with that bait. You don't appear to be obsessed with other people's money, but hey, what do I know...

Cheers. Here's looking at you.

The Col: I thought that might get a response... the key to successful fishing is in using the right bait.

Obsession with money is a narcissistic disorder.

(V): "It'd be a bigger cover up than the Manhattan Project."

Or when Adam and Eve discovered they were naked!

Iamon lyme: I meant that their position is the wife killer story is load of crap, not that their position is a load of crap. I didn't make that very clear.

(V): "It'd be a bigger cover up than the Manhattan Project."

Well, at least you are keeping the examples more or less current... within the last 100 years.

One of my sources (who actually exists) told me the other day that MSNBC's position on the latest heath insurance flap, the one that says Mitt is a wife killer, is basically a load of you know what.

He also told me Bill Clinton may be one of the speakers at the Democratic National Convention, where Obama will go through the motions of being declared their candidate. Now THAT should be interesting to see.

I depend on my unnamed but actually existing source to fill in the gaps of what I don't know, because I've made it a point to ignore most of what I've been hearing... there aren't enough Q-tips in the world to clean the crap out of my ears if I listened to the "news" all day long... every day, day after day.

#@!!^&* Okay, I'll try that again...



This is what the Martians saw when they sent a probe to explore earth.


You know, it's really hard to come up with something weirder than what Obama and his gang have been doing... but I'm getting closer.

This is when they sent a probe to explore earth.


You know, it's really hard to come up with something weirder than what Obama and his gang have been doing... but I'll keep trying.

MissDelish: lol. Don't worry about it. Art calls me Lemon Lime and I'm ok with that. Sometimes I call him Artful Codger. I think he'd be okay with Fartful Codger, but that would be too obvious... we all know how much he likes to fart.

By the way, my name is actually "I am only me" (because I AM only me) all run together with only one space... it could mean "I am on lyme".

(V): Get yourself one of these and quit worrying about it already... Sheesh!

Evidence points to macrobial life existing on Mars.

Vikings: Okay, so she made a big bloody mess in the house... so what? Kids will be kids. I think the dad ought to at least take her out for some ice cream. That's what I would do.

(V): "...a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag."

When will these guys ever learn? You just don't mess around with granny! It never ends well.

Vikings: "He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals."

Ouch! And I'll bet it wasn't the abdomen wound that killed him...

As the father of three girls (all adults now) I have a fairly good idea of how the father must be feeling about this... pretty damn good!

Artful Dodger: They'll have as much luck finding evidence of microbial life on mars as they have had in finding intelligible radio signals from space. I mean seriously, it's not enough to be looking for intelligible communications right here on earth?

There are many more factors that go into conditions suitable for life than just being in the "goldilocks zone". Or in just finding water within the goldilocks zone.

Of all the people NOT inclined to oversimplify what it takes for life to survive (much less flourish) you would think NASA scientists should be near the top of that list. No one can tell me that belief (aka, faith) isn't a factor in their thinking.

(V): "...the possibility that this world may once have hosted microbial life."

Mars awaits our arrival...

I was going to say that of all the disruptive distractions the liberals have been staging, for the purpose of muddying the waters just before an election, this "controversy" over some CEO of a company expressing a personal opinion has to be the nuttiest one I've seen so far...

I WAS going to say that, but now I remember how nutty the other ones were. We still have a wall street protest crowd downtown where I live, and they are still blocking doorways and pooping on the sidewalks and adding to the number of pan handlers on every city block. I only go downtown once a month now, and even that is too often.


By the way, the personal beliefs of chick fil a's CEO have been known for a long time, so the timing of this is no coincidence.

I still don't get it. If gays don't like chick fil a, then why don't they refuse to go there to spend their money? They act as though family value groups have been showing up to disrupt gay parades, or stage quiet family gatherings at gay bars and bath houses, so this is their way to get back at them.. ? It used to be they just wanted to not be hassled, to mind their own business and for us to do the same. So what's changed?

I suppose boycotting is out of the question... If I had a back yard barbeque boycotting it wouldn't work, because enough people would show up for the party. The only way for an unhappy neighbor to ruin it would be to show up and make an ass of himself.

The Col: "I'm a little conflicted on this one."


It would be difficult not to be if it was given any thought, which apparently you have. I'm not conflicted because in my opinion an "it's all about me" attitude will always backfire on the one who has that mindset.

Reminds me of a passing remark I heard from someone. He said, "Thinking is over-rated." I said "That's what I thought."

I think this chick fil a "controversy" is a prime example of what some of us were expecting to see close to election time.

Just because someone holds to family values doesn't mean they are anti-gay, any more than someone who is gay can automatically be stereotyped as being anti-family values. It's ludicrous to take an "it's all about me" attitude to this kind of extreme.

The proposed kiss-ins and harassing employees is just another example of the expected attacks against businesses that don't support Obamas re-election.

What do you say we fix it so no one wins or loses any more wars, and everyone gets a trophy at the end.

...and on his farm he blah blah blah, e i e i oh!

(V): "Two Republican politicians have urged people to eat at a US fast food chain, amid a row over gay marriage." ... "So what's the kick back to Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee??"


Two free Chick Fil A coupons. One for Rick, and one for Mike. The coupons are free for anyone, but it still makes for a nice kick back... they can kick back and enjoy a scrumptious chick fil a sandwich.

Artful Dodger: "I know you believe that Iamon lyme and I are one in the same but you can't be further from the truth. You're not even being clever about it."


Now now, alter ego, let's not be too hard on him. I like it when he complains to the moderator when we pretend to be the same person, and then comes back to imply that we are the same person. This guy is a laugh riot, and I really do look forward to his posts.

I'm not just saying that (V), I really really do.

Really...

Do.

(V): Yes, but you concluded with "radiation signiture" as though that was the only relevant tool.

You also said "I'm talking about actual intelligence, not the 'WMD' fiasco type".

You mean the "intelligence" that concluded because something wasn't there it was never there? There was plenty of evidence that those weapons had been there, and been there recently. That fact was conveniently ignored. The only mistake Bush made was to telegraph our intentions of taking looking around well in advance. Plenty of time for moving those weapons elsewhere. We actually caught up to a ship containing those weapons. It was reported but apparently underplayed, because no one seemed to think it was important. Maybe it's because by that time it was old news, and the main stream press felt the public was ready for the next new and exciting news story...

(V): "... Those who can tell, can tell the difference between a nuclear power plant radiation signature and that of a weapon."


You are over simplifying how it's done. Energy signitures are only one tool Old fashioned sleuthing and connecting the dots has always been a part of gathering intelligence

By the way, here is me on my way to work... what intelligence are you able to gather from this surveillance photo?

By the way, if the Iranian nuclear plant was really just for supplying power, it would have been up and running by now. What they are trying to do goes well beyond simply turning turbines for generating usable power... it's like if you saw a tank in my driveway, and I told you it's just for getting to work and back.

Besides, they don't need a nuclear plant for their power needs. With all of their oil and no self imposed restrictions, they could easily build an oil burning plant for generating electricity.

So with Irans leaders making no bones about how they want to destroy us, it seems to me they are almost begging us to turn their nuclear plant into a giant crater.

And guess what? Iran has already offered itself (its nuclear facility for generating clean affordable electricity) as a target for a military strike... if Obama decides he needs something like that to bolster his numbers. The only thing that could mess up that plan is if Israel beats him to it.

At this point I don't think any amount of spin can help Obama get re-elected. His only hope is to either start a war, or make a significant military strike close to election time.

But I doubt even that would work. He's burned too many people, and not many are curious to see what he might "accomplish" as a lame duck president. Considering everything he was willing to do before a re-election bid, what would he be willing to do if there was nothing to lose in a second term?

Iamon lyme: "you forgot Ronny, oops, St Ronny, and Dubya"

The democrats thought Dubya was charismatic?

I know that can't be what you meant. Just as I really don't give a rats tail how good someone looks on the cover of GQ if he's the president. No one looks good when they are dragging the country down, no matter how handsome or well spoken. Running for president is not supposed to be a beauty contest, but I'm afraid that's what it's become.

The Col: "The man has charisma to burn, it's one of his main assets"

It was the same with Bill Clinton. Charismatic. What else would anyone want from their president... as well as charm, grace, eloquence, clean, well spoken, regular pedicures, no visible nose hairs, shirt tucked in, strict adherence to what is printed on the teleprompter, basketball skills, putting in long hours on the golf course...

Man, there seems to be no end to presidential attributes.

...abou bo bo bo bo bo 'bout Obama.

^o^

The Col: lol Yeah, there's nothing robotic about Obama.. about Obama... about Obama...

The word gospel means good news, but I might have been wrong about the religion angle.

Bad news is good news.. ?

The Col: "...if the Democrats weren't so terrible messeging, and the Republicans weren't so good, the overwhelming scientific belief in climate change wouldn't even be an argument."


The Democrats have done a good enough job at getting their "message" across. Good enough to be able to profit from it.

If anything is an established fact, it's that the world goes through periods of global warming and global cooling. No one argues with that. But creating alarm over something that naturally happens, in order to gain some political or financial advantage, is something the Democrats have learned how to use.

If some slick shyster were able to create alarm over the changing seasons, and then push for increasing taxes to solve the problem, would you see anything wrong with that? That may sound like a silly example, and no one with a grain of sense would fall for it, but let's face it... a con man doesn't have to convince everyone. He only needs to convince enough people in order to get what he wants.

Whatever influence mans activities have had on the entire global environment is nothing compared to what nature herself has dished out. Polar bears survived the occasional period of global warming, and the spotted owl can survive without old growth forests. Is there really anything so amazing about that?

What is amazing is the distress people are willing to put themselves and others through just to gain some small transitory advantage over their fellow earthlings...

The Col: "My comment of it being considered "gospel" was from the Republican perspective, not Democratic"

Yes, and I understood what you meant by "gospel". Nevertheless, I doubt either side would take the issue seriously even if it was promoted by a few Republicans.

It has only become a political issue because some politicians have made it one. It wasn't much of a scientific issue until it was mingled with politics

The only question I want to ask about this is, when did it become a standard practice of science that politics is able to confirm or disprove anything?

Artful Dodger: Ah shoot! I went to go find another global warming pic, but all I got was this stupid hat<a/>

Artful Dodger: Hey, that's the al gore link I put up! Now I'll have to go find another one!

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(V): Oh my goodness no, I would never want you to be muzzled in any way! I look forward to your... I know there's a word for what you do, but for the moment it escapes me.

You are the classic champion of liberal ideals...

(V): A simple 'yes' would have been sufficient, but thanks for the confirmation.

(V): Is attacking religion always your rebuttal when you have no rebuttal?