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22. Februar 2009, 05:42:13 Emne: As to Gitmo.... Shut it down immediately. Transfer the inmates to a reputable facility in-country. If we feel there is strong evidence against any, initiate public trials immediately. We've had them long enough to know. And the same goes for those held in extraordinary rendition, i.e., secret CIA prisons overseas. Naturally, "evidence" garnered by torture is inadmissable. For those detainees we have no case against, release them to their home countries with reparations & an apology. The Bill of Rights applies literally only to American citizens, but in principle it applies to all men at all times, everywhere. And the only plausable reason for the secrecy which has surrounded our treatment & trials of detainees, so this point, is that we ourselves have something to hide. 22. Februar 2009, 05:55:06 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo....  The Usurper: I think I read somewhere that by Geneva convention you cannot house POWs whatever in general population institutions. So we'd have to have a similar security area such as Gitmo. As for evidence, it's not CSI. It's a battlefield. They catch these guys on the battlefield. They don't take notes and close off a crime scene. I say just shoot them all when you see them and to hell with all this trial crap/evidence crap. If you're caught on the battlefield, you're dead. That will solve gitmo. 22. Februar 2009, 08:27:54 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo.... Artful Dodger: This also is ironic. That you claim to distrust government, yet believe its biggest lies. As to solving Gitmo, it's a bit too late to shoot them dead. They aren't on the battlefield anymore. In any case, if they had surrendered, or if you shot them now, that would be cold-blooded murder. So that is what you condone? 22. Februar 2009, 06:06:18 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo.... The Usurper: And the only plausable reason for the secrecy which has surrounded our treatment & trials of detainees, so this point, is that we ourselves have something to hide. That is hardly a true statement of fact.... there are other more plausible reasons.... because they are captured on a battlefield where they are not an active participant, not a member of any real army, and because they are captured in this manner, there is not any means to participate in any real or active investigation, and collect evidence, like in any real world situation. That is the one and only reason to "hide" anything  22. Februar 2009, 06:10:40 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo....and a plausable reason Czuch: yeah like national security. Besides, we both know that any reason given will never be enough for some. If we detained Osama bin Laden we'd probably get protests and asked what was the plausible reason for detaining him! Somewhere out there in the world, some group would complain. And you can bet that no matter what evidence was presented or reason given, some group in the US would protest. Someone always does. I like my idea. Shoot them all from now on and take no prisoners. Then no complaints about waterboarding or turning the music up too loud. 22. Februar 2009, 08:06:13 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo....and a plausable reason Artful Dodger: What would be the plausable reason for detaining Osama bin Laden? Where is the evidence he had anything to do with 9/11? The government certainly hasn't provided any, beyond an obscure video it claims to have found in Afghanistan. It is hardly evidence since the man's facial features do not match photos taken of Osama. Surely the government has a better case than this! What is it? The truth is, it doesn't. Because Osama bin Laden did not mastermind or carry out 9/11. The U.S. government did. 22. Februar 2009, 14:14:12 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo....and a plausable reason The Usurper: Osama bin Laden did not mastermind or carry out 9/11. The U.S. government did. A little thing called a confession maybe???? 22. Februar 2009, 07:58:40 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo.... Czuch: If they have no real evidence, let them go. Or turn them over to their respective governments. It doesn't matter where they claim to have found them. Prove it in a court of law. 22. Februar 2009, 09:50:03 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo.... Czuch: BBC News: --There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.-- A quote from the Senate report: "Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support...." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm In other words, the Bush administration lied to get us into war with Iraq. No WMD. No Saddam-al Qaeda connection. Now that they are out of office (too late to impeach), Bush & Cheney ought to be prosecuted for these & other crimes. 22. Februar 2009, 14:23:32 Emne: Re: As to Gitmo.... The Usurper: the Bush administration lied to get us into war with Iraq. As far as I know it was congress that voted us into Iraq? A president doesnt have the authority to act without congress approval? |
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