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5. August 2017, 07:29:23
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Beautiful Mate in 4
Aganju: I can't say I recognise the combination, even replacing the drops by move-from,, but it's certainly a very good one!

10. August 2013, 19:36:42
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Chess tournaments, London, August 2013
Walter Montego: About dark chess: I would have thought it one game that can only be played at a site like this one, with a computer as an arbiter to show each player the illuminated squares. How could this variant be played on real boards? (I suppose 2?)

12. Noiembrie 2012, 06:06:26
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Three-check chess
Justaminute: On another subject for the same variant: does anyone know how the system here handles a double check? does it count one or two checks?

2. Februarie 2012, 07:31:11
rabbitoid 
It has potential. It looks a mess, but there are probably some strategic ideas that need to be applied, such as "take in such a way as to maximize the number of available moves for yourself, minimise those for the opponent" (seems reasonable) or things that need figuring out such as "go for the queens first" (or maybe should it be knights?) difficult to analyse.

11. Noiembrie 2011, 15:57:00
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Loop Chess - pawn drop restriction
Lightbug: Concentrating on defence in this variant is probably the worst tactic. The offence wins almost always.

18. August 2011, 10:20:34
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Mutually assured destruction
Atomic Chess (Walter Montego vs. Pedro Martínez)
Whatever the outcome, the current verdict on 1.h4 is "unproven either way".

11. August 2011, 18:35:02
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Analogy of types of war regular Chess to Embassy Chess to Atomic Chess
WhisperzQ:
reckless abandon is rewarded and minions get to carry on their meaningless lives while their generals' fragility is exposed

You've provided a perfect description of loop chess

27. Iunie 2011, 09:19:06
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Loop Chess set
DarwinKoala: You're forgetting conversions. even in regular chess there's a theoretical possibility of 9 queens. Here too.
In loop chess conversions are far more common, parachuting pawns on the 7th row happens all the time.

26. Iunie 2011, 15:52:53
rabbitoid 
Theoretically - a lot, but that's just like saying you need 9 queens in regular chess to account for all the possible conversions. In practice it's rare to see more than 4 knights bishops or rooks of one colour, but say you need 8 of each, so you can sell more pieces :)

23. Mai 2011, 20:50:02
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
Justaminute: Actually currently the most common cause is that two chess bigshots find it in their common interest to have a draw outcome, then go through the motion of having such a repetition early in the game to avoid the wrath of the referees.

23. Mai 2011, 13:42:28
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
nabla: As I recall the repetition rules were never implemented in the code here, you have to ask the admin (Fencer) explicitly to end a game.
The reasons were: first, it's very complicated to implement, since repetitions may concern moves that are not consecutive; second because that's how it's done in regular chess tournaments anyway: a player has to inform a referee that a 3rd repetition has occurred. And now you have discovered a third reason: the rule doesn't necessarily make sense for variants :)

13. Februarie 2011, 19:08:26
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Chess variant page, with programs And Dark Chess program request
Walter Montego: That program exists. It's called brainking.com.

10. Iulie 2010, 08:09:17
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: a rules question
What do you know, after all these years, something unclear
In Los Alamos chess, can a pawn convert to a Bishop?

20. Iunie 2010, 06:49:05
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
coan.net: That's funny, somthing must have changed. I hunted for draw examples, here for example: Behemoth Chess (Gror vs. Mal 4 Inara)
Seems the same type of move

19. Iunie 2009, 10:03:58
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: shortest game
So far some 800 games ended in a mate, that is a blocked position. The shortest one I found is Massacre Chess (mangue vs. emelin) in 19 moves.

18. Iunie 2009, 17:09:14
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Massacre Chess: longest game.
WhisperzQ: The limit for the longest is obvious.
Not so for the shortest. Who can come up with the shortest game? (truly ended ones, of course. Don't bother with the timeouts-on-move-1, resigned or draw without reason)

Subsidiary theoretical question: who can come up with an initial position that can lead to a blocked game in the shortest possible number of moves? I have a trivial one that blocks after move 8, black.

19. Mai 2009, 15:44:09
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
FromHell: They play other variants on fics now? it's been a while since I visited it. I think it was only bughouse and suicide, then.

19. Mai 2009, 13:50:22
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
lukulus: Just for the fun of it, I've built one:
black: Ka8, Rb7, Bb8, pawns a7, b6, c7.
white: pawns on a6, b5, c6, king somewhere. black to move.

Don't ask me how the black bishop got to b8 :)

31. Iulie 2008, 22:48:52
rabbitoid 
No idea there. As I see it, it would work just as well without an exception for kings. So kings could, for example give check - as long, of course, as the other king isn't protected by a knight. But since it's a rule change, it would be a separate variant.

30. Iulie 2008, 11:29:39
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
Modificat de rabbitoid (30. Iulie 2008, 11:31:48)
ughaibu: it's explicit in the rules: "Any piece (except a king or a knight) which is guarded by a knight of the same colour..."

And by the way, the exception for the knight seems silly.

29. Mai 2008, 17:18:20
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Varying the Loopchess Rules
Karthum:
1 is possible, but would make a new variant. What happens if the opponent has only a king left?

I doubt the utility of (2), the situation should arrive only very rarely. I don't think I've ever had the situation.

25. Mai 2008, 13:18:45
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Another idea for a chess variant
WhisperzQ:
right, I totally missed that aspect :)

24. Mai 2008, 18:53:58
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Another idea for a chess variant
I've invented a new variant, I call it "Fencer random chess". It carries a certain element of luck. The game is played on a 8x8 chessboard, usual pieces, standard starting positions. moves are identical to regular chess, but capture is prohibited, so the number of pieces remains the same throughout the game. Since the captures are eliminated, the usual target which is the enemy king is no longer the object of the game.

So how is the game ended? simple: After each move, A Fencer random generator, at a probability to be determined, posts a message "white has won", "black has won" or, at a lower probability "draw".

The advantages of this variant should be obvious. The strategic calculations, which are so exhausting in the other variants of chess, are greatly reduced here. Anyone can easily master the techniques involved (OK, I have doubts about some members, but you can't have everything)

In my humble opinion, this game should become very popular on this site, in view of the quality of the other recent additions.

19. Februarie 2008, 13:16:32
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Dark Chess draw rules
mangue: The pawn rule is a part of the draw rule for regular chess: the game is declared a draw after 50 moves without neither a piece capture nor a pawn move.

This rule should be seen as an extension of the more easily comprehensible 3-times-repeated-position rule. The idea is that after 50 moves without an essential change to the board nothing more is likely to happen. The pieces are just dancing around.
So why the pawn clause? because a pawn move IS an essential modification: it is not reversible.

By the way, for regular chess the debate about this rule is still open, because there are endgame position which are known to be won, but the way to the win takes more than 50 moves. For example, K+N+N against K+P.

Whether all this is pertinent to dark chess is another point.

3. Septembrie 2007, 12:23:56
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Dice chess rules
WakeUpPeople: Immortality for kings? even limited? not likely to get a support from France!

15. Iulie 2007, 08:37:03
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Behemoth Chess
coan.net: as in any game where skill and chance are mixed, your stats and BKR has only meaning when a large number of games are played. you'll never have 99-1 results in backgammon, for example. if you have 60-40 it is already very significant.

3. Aprilie 2006, 18:00:21
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: even simpler
mangue: JinkyOng is playing a couple of games currently. if he doesn't wipe the floor with anything brainking has to offer, that settles it as negative.

1. Februarie 2006, 17:24:58
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
Salkkuman: definitely. and the same goes for the "delete game" techique!

30. Noiembrie 2005, 11:59:21
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
grenv: You can't do that in any case, Ed would bounce on you with a lawsuit.

28. Noiembrie 2005, 19:26:18
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: 2 player bughouse
andreas: no, that's crazyhouse, or almost, because crazyhous has a different rule from loop chess concerning promoted pieces. Bughouse is very different, it's a 2 against 2 game played on 2 boards.have a look Here for the rules.

6. Octombrie 2005, 17:33:01
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: a fast anti chess tourney
is waiting for your participation Here.

one week total think time.

5. Octombrie 2005, 13:29:07
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Dark Chess Rules
Doerdich: you can also "go back in time": click on a move or use the backwards/forwards buttons to see what was revealed at a certain moment.

using the "notes" field is also very helpful in this variant.

6. Iunie 2005, 12:10:40
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Draw in anti-chess?
WhisperzQ: sorry, I don't know. the table in the link only states the expected result, not the means to achieve it.

5. Iunie 2005, 17:51:36
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Draw in anti-chess?

15. Mai 2005, 11:12:49
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: new variant suggestion
but apart from that, that's an idea for a new variant: you can take also your own pieces. for normal chess, this is idiotic, but for loop chess? sacrificing a piece to parachute far behind enemy lines? what do people think?

15. Mai 2005, 11:12:03
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: infinite move numbers ?
Sumerian: so far, in this variant, you can't take your own pieces, so that's out.

15. Mai 2005, 10:01:50
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: infinite move numbers ?
Sumerian, danoschek: "it's chess..." well, no, it's not. it's a variant, which has a different set of rules. it says in the rules the only change is the possibility to extend the board so that it loops on itself. it follows that the only limitation to a rook move is that there be no pieces between the starting and ending point.

Sumerian's infinite regression is no obstacle, since there is the 3 move repetition draw rule.

hmmm... actually that's the way out of this loophole: when the rook starts the move, there IS someone standing on the target square: himself. question is, does this count as an obstacle, since the rook has to move out of it's starting position to reach the obstacle, which is therefore no longer an obstacle? this is starting to enter quantum physics... or in dano's favorite expression, humbug. for once I agree

14. Mai 2005, 16:23:31
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Re:
danoschek: I'll oogh you! halma?
ok, ok, I take it back. my Kindergarten days are over, too

14. Mai 2005, 14:42:33
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: Re:
danoschek: not in all games. in checkers, you can have multiple jumps that end up where you started. in cylinder chess I see no reason why it should be disallowed. it comes to a "pass", but so what, if no rule forbids it?

30. Aprilie 2005, 09:58:58
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
Caissus: winboard/xboard manages fine the pgn used here. In windows you have to modify the shortcut to have the flag
winboard.exe /variant=crazyhouse
the only problem with this interface is that it doesn't show the pieces off board, which is VERY annoying for this variant

5. Octombrie 2004, 12:22:01
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: loop chess tournament
Any interrest in loop chess? a tournament will start next monday, provided enough people show up... click here

12. Decembrie 2002, 13:59:17
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re: a rules question
apparently not, hrlqns won. good game!

12. Decembrie 2002, 13:57:13
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: a rules question
not clear from the rules: what happens if no black pawn can move? is it a draw, like stalemate?
(or white for that matter, but I really don't see how that can happen)

10. Decembrie 2002, 13:48:43
rabbitoid 
Subiectul: Re:
thanks. no offence, but white still needs a LOT of help from black to win :)

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