Ferris Bueller: "Sexual orientation has no moral connection or equivelency to pedophilia or incest, which are non-consentual violations of children. "
non-consensual is rape. big difference.

Two homosexual men are married and live happily and faithfully for their entire lives. They never cheat on each other or harm one another or anyone outside their relationship.

A heterosexual man is married. He beats up on his wife. Then he goes on to have mistresses several times during his life. Is he better or worse than the two homosexuals in the example above?

A church pastor preaches against homosexuality. Every week he collects money from his congregation. After a while he becomes wealthy and starts using his money to have affairs with several women. Is he better or worse than the two homosexuals above?

Note that the examples I gave are not unknown or rare. The question is: does morality have anything to do with sexual orientation? What is worse? A faithful homosexual or a dishonest heterosexual?

Bwild: Sexual orientation has no moral connection or equivelency to pedophilia or incest, which are non-consentual violations of children.  Besides, most people who engage in those 2 practices are heterosexual.  Equating homosexuality with those things is an unfounded scare tactic that has been around for a long, long time.  MLK said that "no lie can live forever", but this one is very persistent and harmful.

Tuesday: “imo...lgbt is a morel issue...same as incest and pedophilia”

What book? Well, I don't see any reference to any book in his post.

Tuesday: I don't twist what you said. You said that adultery is mentioned more in a book than homosexuality. I say: SO WHAT?

Tuesday: So why are doing the same thing yourself? Do you need a book to tell you what is more “moral”?

Tuesday: … so you brought up a book.

Tuesday: However, homosexuality is mentioned more in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy than adultery.

Ferris Bueller: imo...lgbt is a morel issue...same as incest and pedophilia.

In the case of homophobia.. is it that the phobia is just regarding men being gay? Then is some of this 'phobia' just the basic "get a room"?

.... plus .. plain old simple traditional taking of the Bible via preachers to make it a morally right overreaction.

Use of homophobia, homophobic, and homophobe has been criticized as pejorative against those with differing value positions.

* In 1993, behavioral scientists William O'Donohue and Christine Caselles concluded that the usage of the term "as it is usually used, makes an illegitimately pejorative evaluation of certain open and debatable value positions, much like the former disease construct of homosexuality" itself, arguing that the term may be used as an ad hominem argument against those who advocate values or positions of which the speaker does not approve. The social construct of masculinity is not defined by attraction to females alone but also by negative attraction to males. The implication of a fear of something unmasculine, given the term's scientific etymology, may be used illegitimately to imply that anyone with a different opinion is unmasculine.[21]
* A group of psychologists from the University of Arkansas conducted research that showed that participants' responses were not fear-based but reflected a disapproval of homosexuality that was due to other factors, such as "disgust".[22]
* The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality, an organization affiliated with the ex-gay movement, describes the term homophobia as being "often used inaccurately to describe any person who objects to homosexual behavior on either moral, psychological or medical grounds." They state that, "Technically, however, the terms actually denotes a person who has a phobia — or irrational fear — of homosexuality. Principled disagreement, therefore, cannot be labeled 'homophobia.'"[23]

because you dont believe in,nor are willing to accept homo's...doesnt automatically make you a "homophobe", and people who live in glass houses,shouldnt throw stones.

Rupert Murdoch has been given clearance to 'own' BskyB. One condition... he has to sell off Sky News. I don't think he's to fussed as it's losing money anyway.

(V):

rod03801: Right.. so it an assumption.

Gotcha!!

(V): Um. I said "I've seen".... and "apparently".. Nothing about "think" or "know"

rod03801: ?? You think or know??

Übergeek 바둑이: Well after a neo con saying that being educated and being the President was basically incompatible.

.... makes you think.. or not if you are a neo con!!

Übergeek 바둑이: Nah, I've seen plenty of left wingers who apparently haven't even graduated high school.

lizrising:

"How many are professional left wingers and how many are regular folks?" I never knew left wing was a profession. I suppose you need a university degree and a license to be a left winger!

Oh, Billll. Try to make your fake footage less obvious next time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcmeA1k-ik

Tuesday:

This cracks me up. It is not the first homophobic religious nut to be caught being a hypocrite. I suppose he can blame pornography for making him "pee in a bottle". He should go into the hall of fame for lame excuses.

Tuesday: Guilty until proven innocent, huh?

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

...."It's the Inequality, Stupid"

RBS created their near collapse (only prevented by Joe Voter bailing them out via the UK government) by neglecting to obtain complete accounts of the bank they and other European banks were buying as a consortium. In the accounts of why they did not obtain the completes accounts of that bank, it was revealed that it was a done deal even without such vital info. Those accounts would have shown that the bank had a serious bad debt problem that left it for all accounts ... bankrupt.

The collapse of RBS would have caused a collapse of the world banking system.

And yet.. the banks say we cannot tell them to ensure (via a change in their bonus system) such mistakes do not by greed be done again. We are told by the banks they are angry we are taxing them..... to go into a fund to cover any more greedy bankers playing with Joe Plumbers money.

Imagine not being able to access your money....

That's about £3200....... Ok explain the economy of the banks still "bailed out" paying billions in bonuses (that's £1,000,000,000+) and yet holding the economies of the world to ransom saying....

.... "If you make us pay for our mess and stop us from profiting while Joe Voter suffers... we'll leave and cause your economies more harm.. we don't care!!"

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Just for clarity

Artful Dodger: I made a error... golly .. oh dear. I corrected it now.. Thankyou!!

Must stop mutli tasking!! I'm only a man

What about UK company British Gas who yet again makes record profits while their customers say "why are our bills going up so much more than inflation"..

.. They would move... but all the other energy companies are doing the same.

How big are share holder functions these days?

Artful Dodger: That's about £3200....... Ok explain the economy of the banks still "bailed out" paying billions in bonuses (that's £1,000,000,000+) and yet holding the economies of the world to ransom saying....

.... "If you make us pay for our mess and stop us from profiting while Joe Voter suffers... we'll leave and cause your economies more harm.. we don't care!!"

Condoleeza Rice's former employer Chevron-Texaco was slapped with a 9.5 billion dollar fine for polluting the rainforest in Ecuador. Chevron is trying to weasel their way out of paying trying to pass the blame onto Texaco and Petroecuador. It just never occurred to them that the pollution that Texaco left behind would ever come back to haunt them. It is easy to acquire a company and then assume that if they did dirty things in a Third World country then those deliberate mistakes would never be prosecuted by the law. Well, I am sure Chevron has another option: leave Ecuador without paying and then open shop in another Third World country!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/indigenous-ecuadoran-woman-humbles-us-oil-giant-20110223-060924-978.html

... I wish I could post a link to a rather accurate video explaining the Daily Mail.

.. unfortunately the swearing involved in the comical video about Hitler's fav UK paper is too strong to post the link.

Artful Dodger: One of the reasons unions started as a result of exploitation by the bosses. Just as did the Suffragettes arise from the lack of votes for women.

alilsassy: President Raygun, the "Star Wars" President.. you've not heard of him??

Tuesday: "comparing Obama to Regan" who's Regan?