Andersp , I could never afford 1 cent per move, you think.. a weeks wage to Fencer from me would be phenominal LOL

LJ so what happened to the J after the L on your head? LOL

Bernice you forgot the Knights, they pay too :o)

I dont really have time for this BUT....
We need the improved hardware to support the number of players.
The vast majority of the players do not contribute.
Rather than approach the FEW who do pay for more whether $5 or $12.50 how about restricting the Free access in favout of the paid... it might encourage those who are happy with the site but live within their twenty games to contribute and thus use the site more.
NO I AM NOT SUGGESTING BANNING PAWNS... but if the cake is limited first shares should go to the people who paid for it....

302paid players....is that all there are???? not counting CAOZ and management? wow...no wonder Fencer is struggling.....even at $5donation per head $1500 isnt going to go anywhere.

it works out at $12.50 approx per paid player, to raise the $4000 that is needed...
if each and every one of us paid for an extra 6 months right now....PROBLEM SOLVED...alternately we could each pay for a pawn, but would they all renew or just enjoy our money and donation of a membership and then leave?

I think each of us extending a further 6 months now is a far better idea.

Lucky its on your forehead LJ..could been worse! LOL

it took me 3 days to shut of my auto-refresh

You took that long lol

I dont use e-mail notifications or it fills my box up full of them. LOL

I shut mine off day 2!

I'm not sure if this has a negative effect on the server, but how about turning off e-mail notification for pawns?

Not really as it is not a real stock. I'M not saying to put it on the NYSE.

Nobody's forcing anybody to buy shares.

Getting things tied up into stock by making BrainKing a corporation would make things complicated from the legal aspect. This would make some lawyers who do this for a living rich and I am pretty sure Fencer does not have the resources to start down that path. If he did we would have a new server on the way. LOL

Thats what a rate reduction of future fees are!

sure he would, he would just be getting it up front, at 2 dollars off per share, it would take 7.5 years to pay back the price of a $15 share

I still like the idea of selling stock, say at $15 or $20 a share, instead of paying cash dividends, they could be in the form of a couple of dollars off per share on their membership fees

Must be LJ so he can afford that server for BrainKing. LOL

Steve would pay for the server by himself as often as he hits the top of that list. lol

LOL Rod...but agree it had been easy to count the fee :)

Brian, AndersP's post was a joke. Because Steve is frequently on top of the daily # of moves list.

I know we are focused on the short term solution to the server situation. However while we are discussing ways to afford a bigger and better server, lets think about the long term success of Brain King. The only way is gain more PAYING MEMBERS. The only way is to give the pawns a little taste of what they are missing by not being a member. I still feel the best way is to aid them in becoming paying members. Offer tournaments to get more pawns invloved and make the prize of winning it a membership. Sponsor more pawns. I know Linda is doing this already with her Boost a Pawn club. We all have friends and family that we play with on this site. Maybe extend a 6 month membership to them. You pay for it and they get it. THis is a good way to let them in all that they are missing by being a pawn. How many members would seriously consider being a pawn again??? I know it has been suggested that we invent a different level of membership but how about new payment options. Some do not wish to pay for 6 months or 12 months at a time. Offer monthly and 3 month membership plans as well. When you average it out it comes to about 2 dollars a month or so for a rook. Less for a knight. That option to pay as you go each month might make it worth it. You could even set it up as a automatic bank payment each month so they would not have to remember to renew it. I think any pawn could afford 2 or 3 bucks at one time to play as a member each month. Anyone like these ideas or have anything to add??

Why should people be forced to pay for their moves they make in a day? Members are already paying for these moves so why charge them more?? I still like the tournament thing and the idea of renewing memberships, and buying friends a membership and converting pawns into members. That may very well get us to where we need to go next.

How about 10 cents for each move during one day?
100 moves = 1000 cents = 10 USD (i think LOL)
Good idea Steve? :)

"If you do not play backgammon and would like to donate please send me a pm. Thanks :•)"

Id like to point out that if a pawn wants to donate, then maybe they should just get a membership, and if a member wants to donate, then there is already a link on the left for doing that.

Instead of talking about it all day, we're doing something to raise money. We are trying to set up a prize tournament to raise money for BK. The tournament will be backgammon with an entrance fee of $5 with all proceeds going to BK. The prize will be $50 to the winner. Get a chance at $50 and help BK all in one. You will be asked to pay the fee of $5 once we know we have enough interested players. All entrance fees will have to be collected before the tournament can begin.
In order for this to work well we are hoping for at least 100 entrants which would be $500
$450 would go to BK and $50 to the winner. Please only serious entrees please. If you sign up for this tournament we will take it that you will be willing to pay the fee.

You can sign up for this tournament
Here

If you do not play backgammon and would like to donate please send me a pm. Thanks :•)

Same here, Crissie and Steve. Just keep hitting refresh and cross your fingers! :o)

Thats a great post, Brian1971. LindaJ also runs a fellowship that can help out pawns who can't afford memberships, but would like one. Look her up for details!

I have been getting error stuff for the last couple of days now. Sometimes I try to gain access by typing new.brainking.com into my browser or try getting in through brainking.info. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt.

I too have been getting this error message, "http 500 internal server error", since last night?? This is the first I've been able to get on at all. Anybody else???

I wasnt sure because there was always plenty of players online when I get back LOL

Yeah steve, me too, for a few days now. Mine says either the server is too busy to use or hat the site ran into a technical problem, or sometimes even that that item cannot be used. Its been frustrating to say the least. I'm sure it has been so slow around here because others are having similar problems. I bet it is taken care of soon, as always.

Good luck Fencer et al.!!!!

I do enjoy playing on this site and having a brain knight membership is a luxury item for me as I make only about 10,000 USD right now and have a basic monthly budget of 700 a month. I do not have extras such as cable or satelitte TV or even a car. I get around with help from those who are willing to help me in bad weather. Otherwise I hike to work, grocery store, laundry, etc. I cant afford to pay more. However the members unless they want to should have to pay more. We are already supporting the site. Giving extra perks for donating money is a good idea but it makes those who cant feel inadequate. Sending private donations is ok if you want to. However lets try encouraging pawns to join brainking as at least 6 month pawns for a trial. They can see what membership advantages there are and if they are like me they would never go back to a pawn. Heck 10 USD right now or 10 EUR as of March 1 is a bargain. Be polite and reasonable and not pressure them, but in conversation see what they feel about being a member when you outline the advantages you enjoy. Assist them to the right customer support people for any questions they have about payment too. If just 400 pawns would buy into a brain knight membership for a year there would be enough then to pay for the server and have some left over for saving for future upgrades to the site and BrainKing2. Also I am sure Fencer would hate to do this but maybe for a short while get a sponsor or two for the site. After about 3 or 4 months maybe this would help too. Think about it 400 pawn memberships converted into brain knights is not much at all. That means if each of us can convert one the money would be there. I havent converted any, but I have had a few who said they would when they had the money to do so because they think this is a great site.

I am frequently getting "http 500 internal server error" page, I guess I am not alone?

But if anyone other than Aussies saw XXXX they would run to a site serving decent lagers LOL

$4K for a new server? That doesn't sound so bad to me. Especially for a site with 9K members 1K or so who are paying. A new car costs 20K or more. 4K sounds pretty cheap, especially if it makes the site run so much smoother, I think you could recoup that cost with new paying members in no time.

As far as members wanting to pay for it, well that is all good, if they want to, but as pointed out before, most businesses invest their own money to get things started and then recoup that investement through people buying or using theit product. Unless they raise capitol from the public, in which case it shoul'd be those investors who reap any future profits.

IMO, if this new server is so vital to the future of this site, then it should be worth the invesment, even if it means going into debt temporarily, by the owners of he site.

I'm willing to bet they could get more people to donate money to the cause after the fact, when they can see what their money is going for, and see what a smooth running site this is. Instead of dragging it out over the next months or years, or getting people to commit through advance memberships, which will only catch up with you in the long run.

I say take out a loan for the 4K and get it over with, and get this site where it should be, the best game site on the web. Your rewards will be ten fold, minimum!!!!

And maybe Fencer could get some sponsership on the side of the can from one of the big beer companies, with the slogan;
"Brain Rooks don't give a XXXX for anything except playing hard"

Hum... an animated rook holding a beer can - and taking a drink from it..... that's an idea! :-)

lol@BIG BAD WOLF
For $100, i'd want my rook animated and to fetch the odd beer while i'm playing ;)

I am wondering why nobody has the idea to let pay the 8000 pawns. They all play for free permanently.Let them play for free during a half year and then every pawn,who wants play rated games has to pay 6 € for the year and this is not much money.After it these pawns,who don`t pay can play only unrated games.

OH, and for $100 - you can have a multi-color cool looking tie-dye type of rook!

I like that idea. i'd be up for a "red rook", poss even a "silver rook" (finances allowing).

Well an idea that I like (even though I don't think with my money situation I would do it right now) - but for the user who do give lets say $10 more then their membership gets a "Blue Rook" instead of the normal "white rook". And then maybe make $25 extra a "Red rook".... $40 a "silver rook", and then $75 a "gold rook"

They would have no more privledge then a normal rook, but it will give a user something extra - a status symbol - to show that they have invested to help this site grow.

(note: The $$ amounts and colors would need to be fine tuned, but that is the general idea)

Sorry, maybe i should read the boards more often, then i'd know what's going on ;)

RAHVIN, that was brought up a long time ago. At the time Fencer was against it, although maybe now he may have another think about it.

I would be happy to give an extra $20 to this site towards a new server, but i do have another idea. What about creating another membership level, slightly higher than Rook for those who can afford that bit extra. I know i could find better thing to spend my money on than $1000 for Brain Maharajah, but i wouldn't mind paying possibly $50 or $60 a year to help support the site.

LOL@LJ

OK Thanks :o)

Just reread your message sorry.. I originally wrote yes we were.. I should have said we were given 3

Can anyone tell me whether after the crash if we were given 2 or 3 months extra membership?

This is primarily a game site, its what we are here for.
When I buy something like a radio control car, I am happy. But if I want it to go better, I then pay for upgrades, i dont go back to Tamiya and complain that it should have had high ratios whenit was standard or should have had tyres for dirt and tarmac. Or when the battery gets old, I pay for a new one, (this is due to wear and tear) Do you see my point?

whats the point in creating another fellowship for donations ? there is allready a donations page on this site ... also anyone who didnt join would feel left out

Pioneer54:
"Ordinarily, in business practice, it is customary for a salable product to be developed before ANY revenue is incurred.".... And yet, look at MicroSoft, and I'll bet you purchase products from them.. and they have -yet- to develop a 'problem-free' product.