Pedro Martínez: I'm not disputing Nuclear power works. Out of nuclear or fossil fuel, I'd rather nuclear be used. It's not perfect (waste) but I've been in one and seeing the safety and tech used to counter the problems as well as knowledge on how to deal with radiation... It's a good energy source.

Microgeneration is a good system which through wind and solar tech can take our reliance of big power plants. If we can at home produce 40-60% of our energy needs then we reduce the need for expensive and possibly contaminating waste.

We have at the moment wind, solar and wave power as standards in renewable energy. Some countries can access steam.. thinking about I'm surprised Yellowstone has not been tapped. The tech is improving.

(V): My post was a response to your statement that “It makes you wonder how much our reliance on big power plants could be reduced if they [electricity generating windmills] became a standard.”

As for my figures… my source is Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power
(“A typical 1000-MWe nuclear reactor produces…”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine
(referring to this table indicating the outputs of different wind turbines)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power
(see the part on capacity factor)

As regards the article on the Buena Vista wind farm… yes, there are larger and more efficient wind turbines, as well as there are larger and more efficient nuclear power plants. I was comparing the average figures.

http://www.power-technology.com/projects/buenavistawind/

Buena Vista Wind Farm Repowering, California, USA

"A $40m repowering of the Buena Vista wind farm uses 38 1MW MHI turbines to replace older, smaller models. The larger 1MW turbines have allowed a reduction in the site footprint from 1,000ha (2,400 acres) to 160ha (400 acres) for the same power. The Buena Vista Energy LLC Wind Project is owned by Babcock & Brown Group (B&B) and General Electric, and is part of the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area.

Babcock & Brown Group was contracted at the end of 2005, when construction began. MHI supplied the wind turbines, which came on line in December 2006."

Pedro Martínez: I was talking about microgeneration not windmill farms. But as for your figures.. I read 60 acres produces 1 MW...

But at the same time, 95% of the land involved is still free for other uses such as farming. They take less time (especially re microgeneration) to install as well as a great deal less money to build.

Can you confirm the date of your figures?

(V):

Output of a typical nuclear power plant: 1,000 MW per hour.
Output of an average wind turbine: 600 kW per hour.

A typical wind farm of 70 turbines and 1,500 acres produces 25 MW per hour. So you would need 60,000 acres of wind turbines to equal 1,000 MW. At the capacity factor of 25%, you will need four times as large area, i.e. 240,000 acres = 375 square miles.

Pedro Martínez: I just googled to check that.. ... I found that claim is linked to a 1977 New scientist article by an MP on anti nuclear nonsense.

... Tech has changed in 33 years.

Pedro Martínez: maybe it was a one room school house

(V): You need about 400 square miles of wind turbines to equal 1 nuclear power plant.

Tuesday: Especially with this new tea party movement.. Maybe conservatives in the USA need to look at other country's conservative values and learn a happy medium.

They cannot turn back the past and re-enact the golden era of the USA (the 50's??) as the world have changed. Countries who had to rebuild after WWII have. Pure so called socialist dictatorships have gone to have a mixed economy. People view the McCarthyism of ultra right politics to be counter productive and self destructive as much was Stalinism for the USSR.

Also if the conservative church goers read their Bible they would know.. no-one is perfect, not even the righteous, everyone sins. Otherwise the party will self destruct, I hear of infighting even now over who's the better conservative, the better Republican.

Maybe they should learn some Bushido

A story came up in the news about a school. It had installed one electricity generating windmill (a small one, not the massive ones)... that one small windmill generated 40% of the schools electrical needs.

... during school holidays the energy was sold to the national grid.

It makes you wonder how much our reliance on big power plants could be reduced if they became a standard.

Tuesday: And maybe to prove she graduated from high school. I hear that is as apparent as Bush's national guard record.

Tuesday:

(V):

Tuesday: Sarah Palin as the opposition leader.... There goes the GOP funds. She'll need new clothes!!

Tuesday: Where was the other one

Tuesday: Did that happin in Boston

is that where the tea party was

where is Santa is he coming soon i hope

Tuesday: That would be Christmas coming early

Tuesday: Frankly,I think Steele was only brought in as a counter to Obama, and he knows it, so he's seeing how far he can push the envelope.

Jim Dandy: for bed bugs?

Artful Dodger: Do they conduct bed checks?

Note that many of these goals are being violated by some members of the Republican party. Also note how some of them have been targeted for defeat in the upcoming elections. Only true and pure conservatives will find an endorsement from the Tea Party.

Protect the Constitution
Reject Cap & Trade
Demand a Balanced Budget
Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government
End Runaway Government Spending
Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy
Stop the Pork
Stop the Tax Hikes

Tuesday: I'm just wondering if the Tea party will go by it's manifest and drink tea.

Every country usually has at least one revolution of some form or another. We had one recently over expenses... it ain't over yet

ScarletRose: Thanks a bunch!

The Industrial revolution.. Made Britain able to become the biggest Empire ever.

Up the British.. Down with the revolution.

Btw.. tea these days is foil bagged.. so throwing it in the water won't work

(V):

rod03801: .. Pot roast is historic... dates back to the industrial revolution. Workers left their pot to cook while working.. use to have oysters though.

Al Gore's 'moral sense' and 'integrity'
By Steve Milloy, GreenHellBlog.com
June 23, 2010

The same day that Al Gore allegedly sexually attacked a masseuse in Portland, Oregon, he said the following at a presentation of his infamous slide show:


"[Global warming] will give us the chance to experience something few generations ever know - a sense of moral purpose." [Source: The Columbian (Vancouver, WA), Oct. 25, 2006]

The Columbian went on to quote one Jonathan Potkin who said,

"I admire that fact that he could just as well have left well enough alone [and left public life]. I think he is a pretty genuine character. It's too bad there aren't more people in government who have that same integrity."

POP QUIZ: Which of the below isn't like the others?

* Moral sense
* Integrity
* Sexual assault

General Chat or Members only is... that way --------->

Jim Dandy: sent

ScarletRose: now that you mention it,I have a crock pot getting dusty,and I love pot roast, could you maybe pm me the recipe?

and smell the pot roast .. yummy baby carrots, baby reds and onions in the crock pot along with the roast.. '

Relax... the holiday weekend ahead for the Americans.. and Canada recently celebrated a holiday as well..

Sit back, relax, and try to have trust and faith..

Psychology

Following the Second World War, psychologists conducted research into the different motives and tendencies that account for ideological differences between left and right. The early studies focused on conservatives, beginning with Theodor W. Adorno's The Authoritarian Personality (1950). This book has been heavily criticized on theoretical and methodological grounds, but some of its findings have been confirmed by further empirical research..[82]

In 1973, British psychologist Glenn Wilson published an influential book providing evidence that a general factor underlying conservative beliefs is "fear of uncertainty".[83] A meta-analysis of research literature by Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski, and Sulloway in 2003 found that many factors, such as intolerance of ambiguity and need for cognitive closure, contribute to the degree of one's political conservatism.[82] A study by Kathleen Maclay stated these traits "might be associated with such generally valued characteristics as personal commitment and unwavering loyalty." The research also suggested that both liberals and conservatives are resistant to change; liberals simply have a higher tolerance.[84]

According to psychologist Robert Altemeyer, individuals who are politically conservative tend to rank high in Right-Wing Authoritarianism on his RWA scale.[85] This finding was echoed by Theodor Adorno. A study done on Israeli and Palestinian students in Israel found that RWA scores of right-wing party supporters were significantly higher than those of left-wing party supporters.[86] However, a 2005 study by H. Michael Crowson and colleagues suggested a moderate gap between RWA and other conservative positions. "The results indicated that conservatism is not synonymous with RWA." [87]

Psychologist Felicia Pratto and her colleagues have found evidence to support the idea that a high Social Dominance Orientation (SDO) is strongly correlated with conservative political views, and opposition to social engineering to promote equality, though Pratto's findings have been highly controversial.[88] Pratto and her colleagues found that high SDO scores were highly correlated with measures of prejudice. They were refuted in this claim by David J. Schneider, who wrote that "correlations between prejudice and political conservative are reduced virtually to zero when controls for SDO are instituted" [89] and by Kenneth Minogue who wrote "It is characteristic of the conservative temperament to value established identities, to praise habit and to respect prejudice, not because it is irrational, but because such things anchor the darting impusles of human beings in solidities of custom which we do not often begin to value until we are already losing them. Radicalism often generates youth movements, while conservatism is a condition found among the mature, who have discovered what it is in life they most value." [90]

A 1996 study on the relationship between racism and conservatism found that the correlation was stronger among more educated individuals, though specifically anti-Black racism did not increase. They also found that the correlation between racism and conservatism could be entirely accounted for by their mutual relationship with social dominance orientation. The authors concluded that opposition to affirmative action, especially among more highly educated conservatives, was better explained by social dominance orientation than by principled conservatism.[91

Left-Wing or Right-Wing politics or the Left-Right political spectrum is a one dimensional spectrum used to classify political parties, political positions, or political ideologies.

To explain the difference between the two its easier to compare and contrast the positions taken by the far left and the far right. Be aware that many people’s political beliefs are on a continuum between left and right.

A brief way to describe the difference would be to say that left wingers believe the country is more important than the individual, and right wingers believe that the individual is more important than the country.

Jim Dandy: She said that like all good Jews she was in a Chinese restaurant

Artful Dodger: What was her answer to what she was doing on Christmas?

We, Obama's "liberal base", of which I'm a charter member, were in numb denial that our former community organiser, who elicited such an outpouring of love from his vast network of volunteers, is actually just another Illinois pol – but with a better vocabulary.