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18. August 2004, 12:38:57
Jason 
Subject: amazon players wanted
is there anyone that is not already in a team that would be willing to join my team so i can enter the team tourney ? if you are not already a member of my fellowship you can join here jasons games room

17. August 2004, 04:16:03
BuilderQ 
Subject: Re: real-time Amazons game server
I think the Generic Game Server supports real-time games of Amazons.

6. August 2004, 23:44:14
frs 
Subject: real-time Amazons game server
Sometimes I'm in the mood to play and finish an entire Amazons game in a single online session.

Does anyone know a real-time Amazons game server, which supports time limits like 30 seconds/move, 12 moves in 8 minutes or 20 minutes/game?

5. August 2004, 11:55:59
Stevie 
Ill let you off then Jason LOL

5. August 2004, 11:55:18
Jason 
lol , possibly , i didnt read back enough ;)

5. August 2004, 11:46:03
Stevie 
would that be similar to the one sugested earlier with the centre 4 squares as water?

5. August 2004, 11:38:45
Jason 
how about a type of blackhole amazons , simmilar to blackhole reversi , im not sure if it would limit the game too much but would stop people from having a good starting point ...what are other opinions ??.

5. August 2004, 09:27:08
kitti 
A mistake could drastically reduce ones territory even when the game is "decided". Of course such mistakes don't happen if the players know what they are doing and are giving a bit of attention to the game. But that's not always the case.

However, i also think that it is very annoing to play out the end when the territories are enclosed. I will resign when i see i have lost and wish my opponent would do the same. But if they choose to fill the board then so be it.

And of course a game of chess can be won without the queen. With experienced players playing that is very unlikely and at top level it's next to impossible. But at general BrainKing level it happens all the time.

5. August 2004, 08:07:57
coan.net 
.... and back to talk about Amazons please.

5. August 2004, 07:21:24
Kevin 
It is not impossible to win without a queen. I (a very poor chess player) have won at least a few games having lost my queen rather early. Against an experienced opponent, however, that is different.

5. August 2004, 04:42:12
talon 
Subject: Queen odds
Good reference BuilderQ. I am by no means in the upper echelons of chess as
QuoUsque seems to be but I have witnessed a fair number of Chess games where after the Queen was taken the 'Queenless' player went on to win. I will duck now and try to avoid your arrows ;)

5. August 2004, 02:47:33
BuilderQ 

5. August 2004, 02:42:38
BuilderQ 
I guess by real you mean the world championship?

By the way, in maharajah chess, white starts with much more than a queen deficeit.

5. August 2004, 02:36:48
BuilderQ 
Last time I checked, every chess player was not in the master class. Queen odds have been given in real games.

5. August 2004, 02:26:57
The Hunter 
Modified by The Hunter (5. August 2004, 02:29:28)
I agree. Why force some one to quit when they think they can still win? Or maybe your opponent is doing what the game is ment for, having fun. I think most of us forget to actually sit and enjoy the game and rather focus more on winning. Maybe your opponent enjoys actually finishing a game rather then trying to get wins.

Edit:I'm a bit slow with my responce eh?

5. August 2004, 02:22:02
BuilderQ 
*No chess player on this planet* I don't think you've played enough people. Anyways, in most game types experts can see the outcome a long way off.

5. August 2004, 02:09:31
talon 
Subject: asking opponent to resign
I also feel it is better to play a game to the end. If the "winning" player is bored? with the game then they can choose to resign themselves. But,to ask an opponent to resign seems presumptuous. The tables can turn if a mistake is made by the one who thinks they inevitably will win. There is a chess player who requests that his opponent resign whenever he captures their Queen first ! That seems to be 'jumping the gun' a bit and being rather short-sighted. If someone is ahead in Amazons or any other game and is bored with playing they always have the option to resign. But to ask another to resign seems to be poor etiquette.

5. August 2004, 00:37:58
The Hunter 
to be honest I feel it is better to play the game out and looserather than just give up. I feel giving up is wose than loosing cause if you loose then at least you tried. though if it is painfully obvious that one person has...lets say 6 moves left and the other has 25 then I under stand where you are coming from. but if it is 23 and 25 one person may make a major mistake (which can happen) then I think it should be played out.

not sure if that made any sence but thats how I see it.

4. August 2004, 16:06:04
coan.net 
Subject: Amazons Etiquette
You also have to remember that Amazons is still a new game for many, so some may not see that they are in a losing situation, plus others might also like to play the game out to help them actually see the end of the game.

4. August 2004, 12:07:10
JJFlash 
Subject: Re: Amazons Etiquette
Just because another player does not see the futility of a give position, that does not make it OK to ask them to give up. Some other games are actually enjoyable to get the final "kill", (even though Amazons isn't) so why not just offer a "GG" comment when the outcome is determined - maybe the other player will get the hint. Maybe their skills are so low, that they need to see the bitter end before they understand. Maybe they are just being difficult & it is the only satisfaction that they will get out of the game. Whatever the circumstances, it just seems rude to tell someone to give up (even a lost position)

4. August 2004, 09:46:14
pijon 
Subject: Re: Amazons Etiquette
Yes, it is that I make also. Regrettably, some players do not accept it and we oblige to fill automatically the squares. When one knows the final result and when the reflection does not exist any more, it is not very pleasant.
For my part, I do not agree to replay with opponents who have a practice so.

4. August 2004, 09:09:56
frs 
Subject: Amazons Etiquette
In Amazons, I resign or ask my opponent to resign, when territory borders are closed and thus the game result is settled.

I usually attach a message like "Black has remaing moves, White <w> remaing moves. Thus I (ask you to) resign ..."

My experience is, that almost anyone accepts a reasonable request to resign.

4. August 2004, 02:03:45
Kevin 
If there are two separate enclosed sections the only way you can change the outcome is by enclosing part of your section, eliminating some of your moves - as long as both players fill in their section completely, "perfect moves" are every move.

4. August 2004, 01:46:32
Flubber 
Subject: Re:
Same here. I know I don't make perfect moves.

3. August 2004, 22:53:04
The Hunter 
i pray the opponent messes up lol

3. August 2004, 21:01:17
Stevie 
I prefer players to count and resign, I myself count and then say good game etc and resign the following move

3. August 2004, 20:56:54
pijon 
Subject: About the end of Amazons Games
When territories belonging to the two players are closed, it is possible to know who won by counting the number of squares which remain free.
Nevertheless, I notice that certain players who are losing, continue to play instead of resigning itself.
What you think of it?

26. July 2004, 05:11:07
plaintiger 
Modified by plaintiger (26. July 2004, 05:11:35)
just as an impartial observer, i offer that this leaves open the question of why someone with whom GothicInventor has neither played nor spoken would put him on their Enemies list... ;)

24. July 2004, 07:12:02
Nellaf 
Subject: Re:
I am not Danoschek and he is not me. Nellaf is a sort of play on words, you are correct only on this. The rest of your comments are yours to deal with. Fencer knows who I am that is why nothing has or will be done.

21. July 2004, 17:04:43
redsales 
i noticed that 'fallen' thing myself...i guess the only way to find out is if Fencer tracks the IPs and/or machine IDs...

21. July 2004, 16:31:50
coan.net 
First, i don't always agree with what other users post in other board, and I don't believe I have ever posted out of line about anyone (including you) without having a specific reason to reply - And if I did, I appoligize.

I'm sure our feeling toward each others are about the same, but public message boards on this great game site is not the place to hash those out (like we have done in the past.)

I never like to see negative comments on public boards about ANYONE, even if I believe they are true.

As a user, I appricate knowing who may have multiple accounts since I like to watch myself to make sure the site isn't being cheated (which hurts everyone.)

21. July 2004, 16:14:07
coan.net 
Well if you want to get technical, the new user agreement offically was in place on July 18th - the game in question was completed before that, on July 14th.

I would also appricate if personal comments about another player (no matter how annoying the person may or may not be) should be kept off the public boards - with any suspicion of cheating or rating manipulation should be handled directly by Fencer, and not the public boards. Thanks.

21. July 2004, 11:03:33
redsales 
GI, how do you know they are the same person?

15. July 2004, 02:18:59
Czuch 
I am in my first couple of games. I like the idea of a disc instaed of an arrow. I also find the game is quite complicated enough, and so many amateurs as to not need to be talking about more complicated variants quite yet :)

11. July 2004, 19:03:44
The Hunter 
Modified by The Hunter (11. July 2004, 19:04:31)
I don't know, thinking of it reminds me of the first time I played silent hill and was too afraid to turn the corner because I thought a monster was there when it was actually safe. maybe a few test games will prove if it would be a good variation to try. just seems so difficult.

10. July 2004, 19:05:22
coan.net 
I haven't looked at the games, but it could have been a case of either 2 friends just trying the game (and did a draw since it was a "test" game), or they might not have really figured out the game and decided to draw.

Same as backgammon - not ever a draw, but at times there are situations where people may accept a draw.

10. July 2004, 16:50:17
Stevie 
I notice in the stats there are a couple of draws showing.

The way I figure it, there is no way there can be a draw, because there is always going to be a player able to do the last move. And that would be Black.

I would understand though if two players have enjoyed a game so much and its a down to the wire type of game. :o)

10. July 2004, 01:30:02
Stevie 
I dont think dark would be a very nice variation

9. July 2004, 22:31:58
Fencer 
BrainKing would notify you.

9. July 2004, 22:06:24
The Hunter 
how would you know if you won?

9. July 2004, 21:59:36
Fencer 
Similar to Dark Chess?

9. July 2004, 19:26:25
coan.net 
Subject: Variant Idea
Another idea would be some sort of "Dark Amazon" game - that is where you can not see the other players piece unless you in the same row/colum/diagnal - and there are not arrows between you and him.

You can see the whole board, and where current arrows are at (and last shot arrow), but only the other players piece is hidden (unless it is in view)

So you would add an extra step to the game. Step 1, move your piece and SUBMIT/COMMIT to having your piece there. At that point, you would be able to see what is in view so you will then know where to shot your arrow.

9. July 2004, 16:01:14
coan.net 
First Finished Amazons Tournament - H E R E

Congrats to the winner of that tournament, BIG BAD WOLF! :-)

OK, sorry - had to gloat a little since I've already seen a couple people who I think are better then me, plus as soon as more people learn to play the game... I quickly move back down the ranks! :-)

8. July 2004, 22:43:18
CardinalFlight 
I'm thinking the water should be random each game to make it different. Maybe the water spaces should be within the middle 4x4 squares

8. July 2004, 22:15:38
Stevie 
4 middle as water would be good :o)

8. July 2004, 22:13:04
coan.net 
Water - I like that idea - possible like the 4 middle squares be water, which you would use to help make your border, but have to be carefull because the other person can fire over it.

I still don't knoe if I like the idea of a piece shotting 2 arrows. It would make for quicker games, but I would think the first person to move could get a good advantage with that extra shot.

8. July 2004, 20:07:39
CardinalFlight 
There could be a spot of water on the board where you can fire over, but you can't cross.

Being able to fire two arrows or more in one turn would make it much easier to trap a piece. That might be okay if the piece had some drawbacks too, for instance a rook piece being able to fire 2 arrows in a turn.

What about having the two other gothic chess pieces in the game too, but the knights would not be able to jump. Only if they can make their 1-2 or 2-1 with a clear path they can move that way.

8. July 2004, 19:15:50
Stevie 
I thought the arrows were easy enough to see :o) Not much diference in size to the queens themselves

8. July 2004, 16:06:03
coan.net 
... think of it as fire arrows - when they hit the spot where the land, the fire spreads into this perfect disc-shaped fire spot where the other player can't move into. (Plus easier to see then a small black arrow) :-)

8. July 2004, 10:51:01
Stevie 
do Amazons through discs then? LOL

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