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Subject: Re: single elimination?

Chaos:

good idea.
Chaos, you manage the further instructions and so on. please

5. October 2010, 21:48:38

Subject: single elimination?

We could set up a small single elimination tournament, this is a lot faster. We'd best choose small fast i guess, so pawns who enter this one are ready for the next tournament once it starts. How about it?

5. October 2010, 21:46:11

Subject: Re:

Tian-Xian: We want to have players move at least once a day so the tournament doesn't take forever. If you can play several times on other days no one will make a problem of you not moving on sunday.

24. September 2010, 18:03:55

rod03801

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Tian-Xian: Certainly, if the tourney is set up to allow for weekends and vacations.

24. September 2010, 17:53:13

Tian-Xian

Thx I do have the weekends set up but if a tournie is a 1 day one does it allow for weekends?

24. September 2010, 01:48:40

rod03801

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Tian-Xian: Yes, click on Settings on the left, and choose the Calendar tab, and you will see where you can choose your own weekend days. (they can really be any 2 day combo)

23. September 2010, 21:19:34

Tian-Xian

This was the last one I joined:
Sabotage League - Small Fast Espionage - #2 (Small Fast Espionage)

it is still running.
I can't play one day a move, as I don't play on a Sunday as I said -
do they have extra time for weekend moves here like IYT?

23. September 2010, 11:36:19

Sandoz

Subject: Re: New Tournament

SL-Mark:

Absolutely true ;-)

22. September 2010, 23:03:29

Subject: Re: New Tournament

Sandoz: Really, there is no need to thank me

22. September 2010, 19:40:57

Sandoz

Subject: Re: New Tournament

Hi Mikong,

good to see a new member in the espionage community!

I'm currently taking part in an older tourney: the SL-SFE#2, where, thanks to Mark, I LOST MY FIRST GAME in the second round! Grmpf***§$F#!!!! ... well, that's another topic.

Thus, as a non-member I won't be able to join a second one.

But, as a warm-up I'm happy to send you an invite for small espionage ...

cheers, Sandoz

22. September 2010, 17:55:03

Subject: Re: New Tournament

Mikong:

I have a poor track record of completing tournaments . . . so I only join them when I forget that.

Always happy to play a game though..

22. September 2010, 17:27:11

Subject: Re: New Tournament

Players:

♦ Nothingness
♦ Mikong (At least 1 move a day/ more on weekends)
♦ SL-Bosse
♦ SL-GentleKiller (At least two moves a day)

cookie monster: What about you? are you in?

Tian-Xian: Please, send the link of the tournament, so that we could see it. One move a day is enough i think.

21. September 2010, 20:49:57

Subject: Re: New tournament

SL-GentleKiller:

:)

21. September 2010, 20:42:10

Tian-Xian

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I am not playing in a tournie but would have to ask if I can join another, as it prob still on the go

I play at least once daily but not on a Sunday

Is that fast enough?

21. September 2010, 19:56:06

SL-Bosse

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: I'm normally active at least twice a day. Morning and evening CET.

21. September 2010, 18:46:04

SL-GentleKiller

Subject: Re: New tournament

I have sad news for you, guys. I'll also play in that tournament. Beware my gentleness!!

21. September 2010, 17:53:13

Subject: Re: New tournament

SL-Bosse:
Nothingness:
Ok, then let's record the players move time like this:

Players:

♦ Nothingness
♦ Mikong (At least 1 move a day/ more on weekends)
♦ SL-Bosse

♦ Chaos (If we cannot start within 2 weeks :))

So, please, write your move time possibilities. It will also help others to see that the tournament won't last for ever

21. September 2010, 17:21:15

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: imwith the understanding that you prefer to have a tourney in the small espionage with the volcanoes? if so im in as many other will be. but lets make sure we get the fast players.

21. September 2010, 06:42:35

SL-Bosse

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: I'm and in, if it is a fast tournament. Not one move each week.

20. September 2010, 18:30:08

Subject: Re: New tournament

Nothingness: Thanks :) Should we start the recruiting and planning the tournament now?

Players:

♦ Nothingness
♦ Mikong
♦ Chaos (If we cannot start within 2 weeks :))

19. September 2010, 21:01:41

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: Welcome to espionage! just to let you know i recently completed a game with sandoz that lasted 321 moves. Since we both moved Quickly it didnt last that long but a match like that could last years. Tourneys aren't suggested for those variants unless Fischer clock is used. Open is the preference here.

19. September 2010, 20:18:22

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: I'm in, and want to help recruiting players, only I'm leaving for 2 weeks tomorrow. I can help after that.

In the mean time, maybe other league players can make Mikong feel welcome in the league, and maybe suggest players for the tournament?

see you all in a few weeks!!!

19. September 2010, 17:58:08

Subject: Re: New tournament

Chaos:

Hmm.. Good idea about inviting "fast" players or those who don't play too slow. Then, let's start asking guys who'd like to participate. I can guarantee to play at least 1 or 2 moves a day :)

19. September 2010, 12:58:21

Subject: Re: New tournament

Mikong: Hi Mikong, welcome on the espionage bord, great to see you here :) What kind of tournament did you have in mind? Small espionage isn't popular to all espionage fans because of the length of the game. It's much slower than small fast or open fast espionage. Though I do believe there are some who especially like the variant, I think Nothingness and Altermann do and the Alchemist and I believe Sandoz still likes the variant. I'd be willing to join as well.

Also, we haven't had a serieus small espionage competition for some time which would be a good arguement for doing it. The biggest problem would be not just the length of the game, but the length of the entire tournament. We've been discussing the issues on that matter on this board. Maybe a single elimination would take some of the problems and inviting only those who don't play extremely slow.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

19. September 2010, 08:11:28

Subject: New tournament

Hi there, i'm also an espianage game fan.

Let's create new tournament to the game - Small Espionage.

18. September 2010, 23:48:33

Subject: Re:

Nothingness: Great, sent you a new invite, base and bombs on row 1 or 10. Bombs at A,B,I,J and base at E.

18. September 2010, 23:43:44

Subject: Re:

SL-Mark: ok thats fine.

18. September 2010, 23:27:02

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Nothingness: Okay, then I will tell you the location of my bombs and base before you setup. You can tell me the location of all your 1s on move 1.

Shall we delete this game and start a new one?

18. September 2010, 23:06:29

it makes a huge difference if you know what pieces are where prior to setup especially with bombs and bases as apposed to moveable pieces. There is a big advantage to the person revealing the bombs. the game totally changes. the same is in chess i guess with an adjournment. so one person dont have too much advantage.

18. September 2010, 18:49:56

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Chaos:

18. September 2010, 18:48:53

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SL-Mark: who ever told you I'm friendly?

18. September 2010, 18:32:06

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Nothingness: Game I sent you an invite for is random colour and uncounted, meaning it is neither BKR rated, nor does the game count on your stats.

The order is:
1. Negotiation concluded
2. Game is setup.
3. White moves and tells
4. Black moves and tells.

18. September 2010, 18:27:14

Subject: Re:

Chaos: I said I would put my 2s on the table. I didn't necessarily mean all of them... three 2s for two recons would have been more friendly

18. September 2010, 18:15:09

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Chaos: Same as our game. I revealed 15 assorted pieces to see five 1s.

18. September 2010, 17:48:19

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cookie monster: You're already playing? What swap did you make?

18. September 2010, 17:18:34

Mark and I set the pieces up then revealed them.

18. September 2010, 17:07:50

Subject: Re:

Nothingness: it would be difficult to tell before set up because in that case the opponent would make a set up based on that, giving their information back, leading to a change in set up from the 1st person etc. I'd say you make the set up and give the information before the 1st move.

18. September 2010, 16:47:12

im under the assumption that we know this prior to set up? or do get told where they will be after setup?

18. September 2010, 16:42:49

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we should also make these unrated games as well.

18. September 2010, 16:02:12

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SL-Mark: it was your own proposal

Anyway, we each know 7 pieces, right? :)

I only have 1 problem: I don't think I can play two such games at the same time because of the tracking. If it's okay with you I'll play Eric first. Shouldn't take that long given the way and frequency of our play.

18. September 2010, 15:15:54

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Chaos: Mmmmm, finding it difficult to evaluate this information exchange, moreso in the light of the previous exchange.

Against my better judgement I will agree :)
So we have:
I show 2s, 4s and base
You show 1s and two recons.

Suddenly my 3s and 5s looked very exposed :(

18. September 2010, 13:43:15

Subject: Re:

SL-Mark: In addition I'll show 2 of my recons for your four 2s.

18. September 2010, 12:25:22

Subject: Re:

Nothingness: "it would be impossible to win a game with someone having prior knowledge of your bombs for 5 1s being revealed."

Interesting that you believe this. Indeed cookie monster has offered a lot more than this just for the five 1s, and I'm still not sure if this was a good deal! Eliminate the pieces, assume equal information exchange in the process (and remove from the equation) and we are left with the three revealed 1s, an unrevealed recon (forgot about this one previously) against one revealed recon. Which gives (3x1 - 2) = 1 against 1. Have assumed an unrevealed recon = 2 and a revealed recon = 1.

But if you still think it would be impossible for me to win if I share the location of my mines (and base) in exchange for the knowledge of your five 1s, I will send you an invite on this basis. Note, you will have some very difficult decisions to make, e.g. whether you will exchange a 2 for a recon!

18. September 2010, 06:45:39

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perhaps a mini elimination tourney with this. of course extensive note taking would have to take place and a constant reminder from opp of the location of the pieces.

18. September 2010, 06:44:04

it would be impossible to win a game with someone having prior knowledge of your bombs for 5 1s being revealed.

18. September 2010, 01:53:01

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cookie monster: Sorry Eric, wasn't trying to hussle another 1, just didn't think this through. I have found some additional value that should balance this difference, making your original offer acceptable and fair (doubt I would throw in an extra 1), though I just know I won't like your set up :) I will send you an invite.

18. September 2010, 00:56:41

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Chaos: My precious 4s and base!
I would accept this offer.
Anything else you would care to exchange in this game? I would be interested in learning the location of some of your recons. I put my 2s on the table.

18. September 2010, 00:50:44

Subject: Re:

Modified by SL-Mark (18. September 2010, 00:51:24)

cookie monster: Interesting! Swap them all out (useful pieces, i.e. those that can move) we are left with my remaining three revealed 1s against your revealed recon. So I have given you a value of 3 in exchange for 2! Throw in another 1 please and game on! I won't need the location of your base or mines :)

18. September 2010, 00:49:12

Subject: Re:

Sounds like a plan.

18. September 2010, 00:38:40