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<< < 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 > >> 7. February 2011, 17:22:40 Subject: Re: illegal move Pedro Martínez: As I understand it, a player may inadvertently make an illegal move due to the bug that would otherwise be impossible. More critically, in certain positions with few remaining movable pieces, a player may be forced to make the illegal move which would otherwise be prevented without the bug. In either case, a player may have a legitimate argument that the illegal move was unintentional. With the list, voluntary resignation is agreed upon without involving a moderator or management and no move reversal is necessary. Have such moves been reversed? How long does it take? What happens if unidentified pieces become identified as a result of the illegal move? 7. February 2011, 17:03:01 Subject: Re: illegal move Modified by Pedro Martínez (7. February 2011, 17:04:27)  Chaos: Well, people who have accounts and play at BK are deemed to have agreed to the User Agreement and to the rules of all games that are played here. My understanding is that when my opponent (or anyone else on this site) makes an illegal move (i.e. a move which is not in agreement with the rules applicable to BK games), I am fully entitled to require the management to have such a move reversed. Therefore, I think the list of “obligated players” is rather redundant since they are obligated to that effect (not to make illegal moves) already. 7. February 2011, 17:00:57 Subject: Re: illegal moves For me the date is irrelevant. Fine by me if the rule applies to any of the games I'm playing already. But I'm perfectly ok with your definition if people prefer to have the dates added. 7. February 2011, 16:54:31 Subject: Re: illegal moves Chaos: I would also like to see a date by the name of each player for when they are added to the list and suggest the following for the wording: "I hereby agree to resign any game against another player on this list (in which both players have an effective date on or before the start of the game) if during the course of the game I move any piece back to the square it had vacated on the previous move." 7. February 2011, 16:53:28 Subject: Re: illegal move Pedro Martínez: as I understand they have agreed to resign the game. Best would be if the bug would be fixed ofcourse, or if we could at least get back to the previous move so the game could go one. 7. February 2011, 16:47:33 Modified by Pedro Martínez (7. February 2011, 16:47:43) So, umm, what happens if an “obligated player” makes an illegal move?  7. February 2011, 16:16:26 Subject: illegal moves ok, so I made a startlist. Anyone who wants to be added (or removed) from the list, just post here or send me a message. I'll add the circumstances as soon as we have agreed how to describe it. 7. February 2011, 15:53:22 Subject: Re: obligated players  Dark Prince: Rather than "clutter" the top of the board with several names, such as you describe, the better way would be to have one post, listing all the names. Then a link directly to that post, could be placed at the top. That post could be edited at any time by Chaos. (Or whoever does the post, AND any moderator) In each post, you see a "Link" link under the date. If Chaos copies that URL and puts it at the top of this board, telling what it is, anyone can click it and see the up to date list of people agreeing. It's pretty simple, but if any assistance is needed, just let me know. (Or any other Global Moderator, really) 7. February 2011, 15:47:45 Subject: obligated players I'll send her a message directly to find out how to proceed. Thanks 7. February 2011, 15:02:49 I think Chaos could put names of obligated players on the top of this forum. 7. February 2011, 14:58:25 Subject: Re: gentleman's agreement lukulus: I think a list would avoid any confusion about who has made such an agreement or not and with whom. It would be unfortunate to play thinking we had such an agreement and the opponent saying no. Why ask before or during each game when a list would be so clear in advance? Could such a list or link to the list be placed in such a location that it would be easily accessible both at the time it's made and into the future without doing some kind of search? 7. February 2011, 14:42:32 I think most players will accept such gentleman's agreement and weaker ones will lose with sooner, than such situation can happen  .7. February 2011, 14:39:17 Subject: Re: An illegal move FORCED Dark Prince: postscript: That agreement would not apply to players on the list who are playing against someone not on the list since those not on the list haven't agreed. 7. February 2011, 14:34:57 Subject: An illegal move FORCED One can move into a position in which the only allowed move for a particular piece on the following turn is an illegal one (moving back to the square it had vacated the previous turn). If that piece must be moved due to attrition, I would think it fair to agree that any player who moves into such a position and is subsequently forced to make an illegal move should resign even if it results from attrition caused by the opponent that turn. Naturally, our tactics would be affected to avoid getting into such a position. Unfortunately, however, such a position may otherwise be advantageous if the bug didn't allow illegal moves. Perhaps we should have a list of players who agree to resign a game in which they make an illegal move whether intentionally or inadvertantly. 7. February 2011, 13:25:10 Subject: Re: Retracing cookie monster: I promise the same. :-) 7. February 2011, 13:15:55 Subject: Re: Retracing Dark Prince: I can promise not to move back if you want to play. :) -Eric 7. February 2011, 06:43:29 Subject: Re: Retracing Pedro Martínez: Sooooo..."very soon" means??? LOL Thanks for the info. 7. February 2011, 01:10:42 Subject: Re: Retracing Modified by Pedro Martínez (7. February 2011, 01:11:43) Dark Prince: No worries, it will have been fixed with the introduction of BK 3.0… which is expected to take place very soon… or has been for the past two years… 6. February 2011, 22:40:12 Subject: Re: Retracing Celticjim: Thanks for your response. Although I don't care for the game graphics or move tracking here, it's the bug that causes me the greatest reluctance to play here. There are many very good espionage players here I would challenge if the bug were resolved. 6. February 2011, 22:17:32 Subject: Re: Retracing Dark Prince: I reported this on 19th January 2010 : no reply yet so wouldn't hold breath:.. 5. February 2011, 00:36:55 Subject: Retracing According to the rules, a piece cannot move back to the square it moved from on the previous move. As I understand it, there was a bug that allowed such moves in certain circumstances. Has that bug been fixed? 22. November 2010, 10:37:13 Subject: Re: apologies Nothingness: don't worry about our game and best wishes to you! Hope you're feeling better soon. 22. November 2010, 03:18:08 Subject: apologies  I'm suffering from a little burnout and have been moving very slowly. plus i have lots of responsibilities at work that are very important. New career = more responsibility. 17. October 2010, 22:25:47 Subject: Re: Finally ! SL-Mark: Yeah, it so :) 17. October 2010, 17:58:35 Subject: Re: Finally ! Mikong: Thought I had been excluded as I didn't see any game! Ah no, I only have a bye 17. October 2010, 16:47:25 Subject: Re: Finally ! Mikong: Good Luck to all! :) 17. October 2010, 16:07:39 Subject: Finally ! Finally, the tournament began ! :) 8. October 2010, 19:14:09 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? SL-Mark: I meant people can play fast, if they are forced to. But some players do not understand how fisher clock works until they forfeit. But its not about slow moving:) Personally I like fischer clock. I realized, if I am playing espionage games faster, I am playing them better:) I am in. 8. October 2010, 13:38:04 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? lukulus: Quite, if you have a long list of games, I would imagine it to be quite onerous to look out for certain games. And having so many games almost forces you to play every day... shorter time control will simply mean that the game is at the top of your list more often. Didn't understand your point on fisher clock. Is this form of time control a problem to many? Hope you join in too :) 8. October 2010, 13:05:28 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? SL-Mark: You are right. I am quite slow player, sometimes quite a lot concerning to SL standards and I have "only" about 300 games. Simply its not comfortable to seek for some special game. Fischers clock games appears themselfs rather soon and for huge majority of BK members its not problem to play near every day if they must:) 8. October 2010, 11:42:01 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? SL-Mark: I'll make a post oin the tournamentboard, good idea. It's not really such extra hassle to send out invites since you have to send out messages to get players in anyway. You're right though; slow players will time out in the first round. I can't change the set up of the tournament anymore- only starting date and info. 8. October 2010, 11:29:19 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? Modified by SL-Mark (8. October 2010, 11:35:37) Chaos: Also be mindful of the fact, that with weekends set, two slow players can result in only two full moves per week! We know that asking people to move fast is pointless (Nothingness tourny demonstrates that). An alternative permutation would be fisher clock with setting 28hours/14hours/2days which would squeeze out a few more moves from the slow players. 8. October 2010, 11:23:09 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? Chaos: Only that this tournament will be at the top of the list more frequently! I would have made this an open tournament, the time control would weed out the slow movers quickly. It must be a hassle sending out all those invites, but I would invite all the usual suspects :) Put a post in the tournament board advertising the tournament and calling on people to contact you if they want to join. 8. October 2010, 11:10:05 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? SL-Mark: having 100+ games is a choice... If they think they can keep up with this tournament they can enter - do give me suggestions! 8. October 2010, 11:03:15 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? Chaos: I believe many here can play fast. It is not that they choose not too (though some I'm not sure), it is just that they have 100+ games and move in games at the top of the list. 8. October 2010, 10:49:46 Subject: Re: re: who knows other fast players? Mikong: if he only plays 1 move per 5 days he'll time out straight away since the time limit is 1 day 6 hrs. I can ask him if he thinks he can play this fast before inviting him. 8. October 2010, 10:47:29 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? dAGGER: you do have the weekend days (you can choose 2 days for that). If you play at least once on the other days it's good. 8. October 2010, 08:51:09 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? Chaos: Thank you for the invite. I could pay for a short membership, but I just realized this tournament has a very short time limit. I can't join if time limit is less than 3 days. 7. October 2010, 21:57:37 Subject: re: who knows other fast players? Chaos: ♦ Dalmatiner (we currently have match, time per move is 5 days :(. it's up to you to invite him or not 7. October 2010, 15:01:46 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? dAGGER: just sent you an invite and love to have you in, only you're still in the second round of Sabotage League - Small Fast Espionage - #2... Become a member so you can join :) 7. October 2010, 14:46:25 Subject: Re: Suggested players, Chaos: would you also invite Nuno Miguel? He is at the top of our rating, but never joins League Events! 7. October 2010, 14:45:30 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? Chaos: I'm in! You know I'm not this fast, but I can make 1 move a day! 7. October 2010, 00:07:49 Subject: Re: Suggested players, Mikong: Done, thanks for the suggestions! 7. October 2010, 00:05:18 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? SL-Mark: Given the fact you're so new and have little faith in your talent I thought I'd give the tournament a modest size, but ok, if you insist I'll give you more competitors to improve your strength I've deleted the old draft and created a new one, hope I didn't make any mistakes there. Do sign up (again)!
6. October 2010, 23:43:51 Subject: Suggested players, New tournament is ready !!! Chaos, you can invite ♦ drjohnj (really fast player!) ♦ AlterMann 6. October 2010, 22:46:44 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? Chaos: The tournament is full!!! Only four people allowed to enter. 6. October 2010, 18:35:05 Subject: Re: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? Chaos: I am fairly new, not sure if I have any talent or promising in any respect, but I do play quite fast  6. October 2010, 17:52:21 Subject: Who wants to be in and who knows other fast players? Let me know so I can send invitations. Yes, I made it invite only so we really have a fast tournament. Also want to know about any new promising talents playing fast. 6. October 2010, 17:29:02 Subject: Re: single elimination? dAGGER: time to become a member, pawn, so you can enter this new tourney! ;) 6. October 2010, 13:55:46 Subject: Re: single elimination? Chaos: Good idea! It's time to start another League event! << < 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 > >> |
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