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24. January 2006, 12:45:00
Chicago Bulls 
Subject: Re: Perpetual check
kleineme: Correct!

24. January 2006, 12:38:58
kleineme 
Subject: Re: Perpetual check
DragonKing: That's a question which has to be answered by Fencer. Such a feature certainly would be desirable but the rules, especially for perpetual chasing, can be quite tricky. Anyway I don't think that it's an urgent matter on a turnbased site because first you can inform your opponent about the rules, and if that doesn't help then you can always message Fencer and ask him to take measures. That is if you know the rules ;) If you don't and you agree to a draw because you think the same rules as in western chess apply then it's too late ;)

24. January 2006, 05:27:09
DragonKing 
Subject: Re: Perpetual check
kleineme: Is it possible to change the software program so that perpetual check and perpetual chase would not be allowed? It would certainly improve the program and make for a better playing experience for everyone.

23. January 2006, 12:46:04
kleineme 
Subject: Perpetual check
Hi,

seeing that there are still draws by perpetual check, recently in these two games:

http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1160405
http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1049399

I think it makes sense to repeat an important rule: Contrary to western chess perpetual check is not allowed in chinese chess, as it is explained under "Other important rules" on the rules page: http://brainking.com/en/GameRules?tp=68

21. January 2006, 21:28:55
Groeneveld 
Subject: teacher needed
I want to get better in Chinese Chess
is there anyone,who want to teach me the game,
in a practise-game???

8. January 2006, 08:33:37
Fencer 
Subject: Re: XiangQi boards here
DragonKing: Settings / Xiangqi.

8. January 2006, 08:04:35
DragonKing 
Subject: XiangQi boards here
Is it possible to play here with traditional pieces? I found it easy to learn them especially after a few games and I dislike the western style.

2. January 2006, 11:13:57
Groeneveld 
Subject: Re:
Fwiffo:
I was hoping that someone could start a new tournement for 50 players or more

2. January 2006, 11:13:13
Groeneveld 
Subject: Tournament
I was hoping that someone could start a new tournement for 50 players or more

9. December 2005, 00:12:19
Chicago Bulls 
And even 2 spaces diagonal if you are on your side of the board.....

8. December 2005, 23:44:48
Fwiffo 
And even blocks the elephant in that direction...

8. December 2005, 22:35:07
Kili 
Subject: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: Yes, it´s totally safe.

8. December 2005, 22:28:41
coan.net 
Quick Question:

For the Bishop (Elephant), they can basicly move 2 spaces diagnal. I know if they land on an opponent they capture it, but is it safe to be in the 1 space diagnal from your opponents Elephant?

12. November 2005, 19:10:39
Fwiffo 
<Beren> To my knowledge they're traditional yes. The bigger pieces I created are also traditional; they might appear on brainking in the future.

I created a tournament for chess, shogi and xiangqi which starts tomorrow. Anyone who'd like to play one or more of these great chess games in one tournament should enlist quickly!

12. November 2005, 18:30:46
Beren the 32nd 
Subject: Re: bigger pieces available now
Fwiffo: Were these traditional characters? I prefer them to simplified. If so, yes I'd still like to play with these.

8. November 2005, 13:50:43
Anencephal 
Why there is no link to download xiangqi games?

27. October 2005, 20:06:14
jolat 
Subject: Re: Problems or ends of games
gringo:
OK, thanks!

27. October 2005, 19:14:28
gringo 
Subject: Re: Problems or ends of games
jolat: Try this site http://private.addcom.de/dxb/dxbpuzz.html

There is also a link "2002 competition". May those are more like what you're looking for.

27. October 2005, 19:02:29
jolat 
Subject: Problems or ends of games
Is this someone knows Internet sites where we can find problems
(puzzles) or ends of games relating to Xiangqi?

17. October 2005, 14:44:29
Fencer 
Thanks :-)

17. October 2005, 14:01:43
Chicago Bulls 
Subject: Re: End of the game
Fencer: Since both sides has at least Rook, a mate is always possible, although this would require a bad play from one side.......
But if you ask with perfect or with decent play from both sides, if this can be won the answer is no one knows right now!
But anyway the game should continue........

17. October 2005, 11:24:40
gringo 
Subject: Re: End of the game
Fencer: I don't know, if it's fair to say something about an ongoing game, but as it doesn't seem to be a tournament game...: Yes you should go on playing. Have in mind, that One Rook vs. Full Defence (properly setup, like at the moment in this game) would be draw, but vs. an uncomplete defence a rook always wins.

17. October 2005, 11:00:28
mangue 
at least I would try to win if I were black. I think I could win, but not sure

17. October 2005, 09:19:10
Fencer 
Subject: End of the game
Since I know almost nothing about endings in Xiangqi, can someone tell me if this game can be won?

16. October 2005, 21:20:35
gringo 
Subject: Value of Pieces
Rook
is the most valuable piece. Its worth more than even two cannons, a cannon and a horse or two horses. Valuation may differ, if you give a rook for two very active minor pieces.

Cannon and Horse are the minor pieces and are more or less equal in strength, but their strength differs during the game. In the opening and middle game the cannon is the stronger piece, but in the endgame it becomes weaker because there are less piece on the board to support the cannon. In the endgame a horse is the stronger attacker, while a cannon in many cases is the better defender. Combination of horse and cannon is stronger than two cannons or two horses.

Pawn
Is usually not even worth a tempo in the opening, but may easily win a game in the endgame. Approaching the palast the pawn becomes stronger and stronger and loses strength on the base line.

If you lose your guards, your defence becomes very weak against rooks and horses, while a lack of elephants makes it weak against cannons. **This last quote in very general terms, of course it always depends on the position.**

16. October 2005, 19:06:25
coan.net 
I'm trying to learn about the game, but could someone post a quick rundown of the importance of each peice.

That is I know in regular chess, Queen is the most important, all the way down to the pawn being the least important.

16. October 2005, 14:31:43
jolat 
Subject: New Chinese chess Tournament
I created a new xiangqi's Tournament for not rated players and to the rated players of intermediate level (of 1500 to 1800).

Limit of registration: October 20

If you are interested, register you at
http://brainking.com/fr/Tournaments?trg=11747&tri=63763&trnst=0

5. October 2005, 22:41:06
mangue 
thanks for reminder fwiffo !

30. September 2005, 23:10:23
Fwiffo 
yes a very bad notation system in my opinion :(
F.i.
C8f5 R9h8
Would mean:
Cannon on the 8th file counting from the right seen from reds point of view goes forward five 'squares' - Rook on the ninth file counting from the right seen from of BLUE's point of view goes horizontally to the 8th file

Moving a forward/backward 5... then I have to count to see where it lands!
When you missed a move in replaying, you can't see directly where you made the mistake.
Also it's very tiring to constantly switch to the other point of view. (This is the ninth file... oh no, it's the first!)

So to me it's a disaster.

30. September 2005, 21:31:18
mangue 
actually there is a very special notation for xiangqi, which is very different!

29. September 2005, 13:23:31
Fwiffo 
<Fencer> done :)

29. September 2005, 11:43:46
jolat 
Subject: Re:
Fencer:
Would it be possible to give the choice between several notations as
it is the case for chess?
Example: h3-e3 (for Ce3)

29. September 2005, 07:41:36
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Fwiffo: Send them to me, please :-)

29. September 2005, 00:28:11
Fwiffo 
<beren> So you can start your campaign for a bigger board :)

redsales> I see... and also octagonal pieces are used traditionally. I haven't found good looking ones yet. I agree that it would be nicer to use the real korean ones for korean chess. Makes it more easy to find out which game your playing when you play both chinese and korean chess.
Still, we COULD use chinese till there is a substitute. After all in Tablut chess pieces are used instead of traditional ones.

28. September 2005, 23:48:27
Fwiffo 
<beren> I do have bigger pieces available now.

28. September 2005, 18:57:17
mangue 
Subject: xiangqi figures
very beautifoul ! thank you fencer for providing them

26. September 2005, 14:15:42
redsales 
Subject: Re:
Fwiffo: the kings are different sizes and characters.

25. September 2005, 17:30:55
Fwiffo 
But... you can use the same as for xiangqi! Just another board set-up.

25. September 2005, 16:43:31
Fencer 
Subject: Re:
Fwiffo: Changgi is planned too. But I have no nice graphics for it.

25. September 2005, 01:05:05
Fwiffo 
If there is going to be a variant of xiangqi, I think korean chess (changgi) would be a good one. (http://www.chessvariants.org/oriental.dir/korean
chess.html)

21. September 2005, 13:14:30
Beren the 32nd 
Subject: Re: Xiangqi pieces
Marfitalu: Thanks. I did not know that before.
Fwiffo: Ok, thanks anyway.

21. September 2005, 11:52:14
Fwiffo 
<Beren> Well, I didn't draw them myself; and the original were this size. As you probably know, just enlarging them would give an ugly result; to correct it would take too much time for me.

21. September 2005, 11:44:18
Beren the 32nd 
Subject: Re: Xiangqi pieces
Fwiffo: Nice character set, thanks. I would like to use them for games, but bigger might be better. If Fencer would be happy to give us the option of a bigger board, like in western chess, then do you have some bigger pieces available?
Also, some colour options would be good.

21. September 2005, 10:10:56
Fwiffo 
< Fencer> On this move http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=1058818&i=7
the rook's background colour isn't transparant but a familiar looking blue colour :)

20. September 2005, 22:54:46
Fencer 
Now you can switch to the third set of Xiangqi pieces. The newest one has been provided by Fwiffo.

17. September 2005, 23:33:37
gringo 
Great.

17. September 2005, 13:30:15
Fencer 
Done.

17. September 2005, 12:30:28
gringo 
Subject: Re: Chinese Chess notation system
It's the same. 0 is just shorter than 10, but you may use 10 as well, if you consider it to be less confusing.

17. September 2005, 11:50:27
Fencer 
Subject: Re: Chinese Chess notation system
gringo: Sure, it can be easily changed. But I am not sure if I fully understand. You write "from 1 to 0", didn't you mean "from 1 to 10" instead?

17. September 2005, 11:37:18
gringo 
Subject: Chinese Chess notation system
Hi Fencer,
did you see my message at the Bug Tracker section?
http://brainking.com/en/ReadBug?bgi=528
It's a small change, but senseful, because otherwise you would have invented another notation system, which nobody else uses.

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