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5. October 2004, 17:05:21
txaggie 
Subject: question about the traps
In the rules, it states that if your animal is standing in an opponent's trap, it can be killed by eaten by any opponent animal. But my question is this: If the opponent's animal is in the trap first, will my animal be eaten if I move into the trap, or does the normal strength order apply if I am attacking?

3. October 2004, 15:18:06
ughaibu 
Good point about the elephants, I never noticed that as a justification.

3. October 2004, 14:53:48
redsales 
everyone always assumes all chess is based on Indian variants because of the elephant. Yet the chang (xiang) character in changgi and xiangqi means elephant, which were once native to Western China, where the border is shared in modern times with India. It is unlikely that border was sacrosanct through the ages, and in fact, having visited there, the Chinese there are of blood so mixed that they mistook me for one of them. The mongolian empire pushed the border much farther West than modern days, so who really knows? I am content to call Jungle and all Asian chess a Sino-Indo mixture. If I'd only asked around more when I was there, I could have some good third-hand information.

3. October 2004, 11:18:55
ughaibu 
Last night I asked a Chinese friend about this game and to illustrate I started drawing out a board. It was interesting that even as I started drawing it he still thought I was talking about tsiang ki, normal Chinese chess and it occured to me that the fixed nature of the den and the surrounding traps are very similar to the palace and palace guards in tsiang ki and there's the further similarity of the lakes with the river. At first impression this seems a strong indicator that the game is of Chinese origin, a simplified children's version of the "adult" tsiang ki, not Indian, so I'm interested in the sources that give it as Indian. However, if jungle pre-dates tsiang ki, another possibility is that tsiang ki arose from a synthesis of jungle with chaturanga or mak ruk. There's a tendency for historians to want a simple linear progression in the history of "chess" so it's interesting that Chinese and Korean chesses show characteristics of jungle as well as the more typical chess characteristics, yet Japanese and pre-renaissance European chess share elements from mak ruk. It seems to me likely that there was something of a flux of co-existing games centred loosley around Burma before they took on their different fixed forms with further migration.

1. October 2004, 17:06:54
CaoZ 
Subject: Jungle
In the jungle all the animals have a number the big number like stratego win over the small numbers, with an exeption, the rat can capture the elephant but not from water. like the spy in stratego can kill the number 1. only the rat and can kill the elephant and of curse the other elephant who atacks first.
Elephant (8)
lion (7)
Tiger (6)
Panther (5)
Dog (4)
Wolf (3)
Cat (2)
rat (1)

the tiger and the lion can jump over the water.

1. October 2004, 12:08:10
bumble 
I've just discovered that. He runs away. Trust me to get the cowardly lion.

1. October 2004, 10:39:52
Fencer 
Lion cannot attack elephant.

30. September 2004, 18:53:53
ughaibu 
It's in order, stronger animals beat weaker animals, the only exception being that a rat beats an elephant. Strongest to weakest: elephant, lion, tiger, leopard, dog, wolf, cat, rat.

30. September 2004, 10:53:03
farmer sam 
Lions can kill tigers but I don't think tigers can kill lions.

30. September 2004, 10:05:53
calikitten 
Subject: lions and tiggersssssss, lol
are lion and tiggers equal? can they kill each other?or can they only kill there own species?thank you

29. September 2004, 10:07:18
ruby2 
thanks ughaibu

29. September 2004, 09:13:04
ughaibu 
Yes.

29. September 2004, 02:00:29
ruby2 
Subject: lion v elephant
if a lion attacks an elephant - does it die?

27. September 2004, 17:50:20
DrRobinson 
lol.....

27. September 2004, 00:23:45
Retired on 2700 
Good job my dog Mabel isnt up against a wolf, its only a little Yorkshire Terrier! Bless her! :-D

26. September 2004, 21:08:40
DrRobinson 
Well it all depends on the wolf..heehehe

According to wha tI have read I think they are the same. :o)

26. September 2004, 20:55:09
coan.net 
So is the dog suppose to be "stonger" then a wolf?

26. September 2004, 14:44:04
ughaibu 
Yes and pieces only move one space at a time so the traps are on the way to the dens.

26. September 2004, 14:01:14
WhisperzQ 
Subject: Couple of questions
Can a mouse capture another mouse in the water?
Csn a piece jump into the lair from any distance or does it need to stop in the trap first ... for example in the rules sample board showing captures if it were white's move could the white wolf win by moving into the black lair?

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