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14. July 2012, 21:20:44
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: IYT competition?
Chaos: The move from IYT to BK came about because we lost our forum and hence our ability to speak, jest and provoke each other.

I see little point returning. Even if there was serious competition at IYT, how would the SL organise events?

Why does quad not want to come here? S/he could have entered any of the 2012 World Championship espionage tournaments.

14. July 2012, 14:00:16
Chaos 
Subject: IYT competition?
Modified by Chaos (14. July 2012, 14:00:59)
Hi all, at IYT someone approached me to ask me about the League. He wants to set up a competition at IYT and wanted to know about the League, what worked and what not. I tried to answer as good as I could, adding I thought it would be hard with so many quitting/leaving to BK. 

He asked if there were players here who were willing to return if there was a serious competition going at IYT. I can't answer for you, so I'll ask the question here.


24. June 2012, 20:34:11
Celticjim 
Subject: Re:
bumble: yes

23. June 2012, 10:54:12
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: Very good or better Espionage Players
SL-Mark:
Well, that corresponds to the speed of some espionage games. :-))

22. June 2012, 20:22:54
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: Very good or better Espionage Players
Celticjim: Bored Jim? That was a timely reply to a post made on the 16th Nov 2004!

22. June 2012, 14:59:37
Celticjim 
Subject: Re: Very good or better Espionage Players
Justaminute: wonder is that the 'bug' he's on about?

17. June 2012, 11:27:24
Celticjim 
Subject: moonhippies tourny
oh the fun we're having ,all 41 of us reminiscing about old times and sharing that old sabotage picture album from back in the old days , Hildebrand in his clown getup--what a lark -the wine and beer is flowing-miss you all--Go Ireland!!

5. June 2012, 01:02:19
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: Question
rod03801:
Great. Thank you Rod!

4. June 2012, 12:44:13
rod03801 
Subject: Re: Question
Sandoz: They finish like normal. You just can't join a new tournament until you meet the requirements.

4. June 2012, 12:23:34
Sandoz 
Subject: Question
Currently I play 12 games in about 5 to 6 different tournaments. What happens if my memberships runs out in a couple of days? Will most of the tournament games be considered as a loss? Due to the fact that as a non-paying menber I'm not allowed to play more than one tournament at a time. Or will I be able to finish those tournament games as a non-paying member? Does anyone know? Thanks for your replies.

18. May 2012, 21:54:34
Chaos 
Subject: Re: Moonhippie
Sandoz: Moonhippie doesn't play here. At least in the past he couldn't make an account here because of the way he has access to the internet.

17. May 2012, 01:51:01
Celticjim 
might have

17. May 2012, 01:27:34
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re:
Sandoz: I've offered you the exchange again! And don't think that I will let you test the bluff with your sab in the next move, it comes at a higher price than that. More so if I'm going to be red listed by you, if indeed it turns out to be just that

I don't believe moonhippie plays here, though I believe he might of had an account here at one time.

16. May 2012, 22:56:41
Sandoz 
Subject: Re:
SL-Mark:
soon you will know.

What about moonhippie? Is he playing here as well?

14. May 2012, 19:59:27
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re:
Sandoz: Bluff? Moi? Never
Red list? Is that the list that's red with your own blood?

14. May 2012, 19:45:56
Sandoz 
Subject: Re:
SL-Mark: hahaha. If you've bluffed me with your last move in our current game I'll put you on my red list, man!

14. May 2012, 19:43:14
Sandoz 
Subject: Re:
Chaos: Oh yes, that's right. Nice that you remember my stone old nick. We had quite a good time over there. :-) But, after my sabotage break I used to play as Sandoz a couple of years on iyt as well.
I don't think that I will go back to iyt for moonhippie's tourney, though.

14. May 2012, 19:15:27
cookie monster 
Subject: Re:
Chaos: My first Sabotage opponent at IYT was Chaos . . . so I'm the real rookie here. :)

14. May 2012, 18:06:19
Chaos 
Subject: Re:
Celticjim: Sandoz isn't really new, haha. He used to play under the name 'Hageroff' (do I spell that right, Sandoz?) and was my first sabotage opponent at IYT, so if he's new, I'm a real newbee ;) I didn't get a message from Moonhippie either.

14. May 2012, 17:25:28
Celticjim 
Subject: Re:
SL-Mark: Mark you were kinda new too cheeky ;-) moonhip is probably harking back to the old old names -if he's leaving the new breed out I can't see it being much of a show but we'll see---OPEN tourny after all

14. May 2012, 16:57:39
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re:
Celticjim: I didn't hear about it either.... perhaps the message just went to the players that moonhippie can beat?

Sandoz, despite being shiny and new, is number 2 in BK, soon to be put in his place by the current number 4

14. May 2012, 13:57:46
Celticjim 
he mentions getting all the old players together for one last hurrah-Sandoz you were kinda newish so maybe he forgot but It could be interesting if we got a good 40 or 50 to join the june main open number 1

14. May 2012, 13:02:23
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: june open toury on IYT
Celticjim: no

14. May 2012, 12:30:57
Celticjim 
Subject: Re: june open toury on IYT
Celticjim: moonhippie even

14. May 2012, 12:30:27
Celticjim 
Subject: june open toury on IYT
so did everyone get the message from monnhippie about the open main one tourny on iyt?

11. May 2012, 10:00:46
Celticjim 
Subject: Re:
Nothingness: had no internet for couple weeks in the house last year after a lightning strike killed my modem-not much fun having to trudge to town to use the local pub wi-fi though it did have its' benefits

7. May 2012, 22:04:44
Nothingness 
Still no interenet for almost 2 weeks. Trying to get moves in whenever possible.

2. May 2012, 22:58:26
Nothingness 
i have moved and now i am without internet access. im at the library now and do not knwo the next time i will be on. Sadly i have time out many games on various other sites.

28. March 2012, 17:09:14
Chaos 
Subject: Re: moving
Nothingness: all the best & good luck in your new home!

26. March 2012, 22:48:39
lukulus 
Subject: Re: moving
Nothingness: good luck

26. March 2012, 15:49:39
Nothingness 
Subject: moving
Within the next few weeks I will be in the process of moving, the long stress filled year is coming to any end. My wife and I have been looking to buy a new house and we are selling our current one. anyone who understands the current housing market can empathize with the stress it creates and the time it takes to sell a house. Hopefully after all this is done I will be back to my quick playing self... and much better too. Once i get setted i will create the new tourney.

2. January 2012, 16:29:45
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: prize tourney
Nothingness: Here is a snippet of the book which is in his blog. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

2. January 2012, 14:27:25
Nothingness 
Subject: prize tourney
Modified by Nothingness (2. January 2012, 16:25:08)
As i get ready to open up my prize tourney. Which should be ready in about a month or so. I will be adding a secondary prize onto the BK membership prize. It is a book a friend of mine wrote a few years ago called "playing to win" by David Sirlin. This a book written by a multiple-time national tournament champion in video games. Part of streetfighter team USA . Representing USA in an annual international game tournament held in Japan. He is a graduate of MIT's Sloan Business School. Its an excellent read.

On a 3rd note I wish we could have double elimination tournaments, like most gaming tournaments. that would be a prefered format for this tourney, I may ask Fencer if this could be a selectable format in the future.

28. December 2011, 23:35:59
Nothingness 
Subject: Making moves
Trying to get in as many moves as possible and pick up the pace in my games till i have to get back to work in January. So ill be moving fast for the next week.

28. December 2011, 23:30:16
Tian-Xian 
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 2 all

28. December 2011, 07:18:02
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: strategy guide
Chaos: trying to create one now.. wow lots of work very intricate

27. December 2011, 19:04:40
Chaos 
Subject: Re: strategy guide
Nothingness: If you make a website I can put the link to it on this page.

27. December 2011, 17:13:58
Nothingness 
Subject: strategy guide
I have always wanted to put together a strategy guide for espionage/sabotage. Perhpas getting together an independant website link of strategies would be a very touch.

22. December 2011, 23:21:11
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: recruiting
Styleone: i am still in the middle of playing vs one of the players.. I messaged the one who ironically lives very clsoe to where i do.. about a 30 minute drive. So I might be able to convince him. The other has not spoken at all and im still in tehmmiddle of our 2nd game. The first of which i lost. He is a non member there.. ill try and message him again.

22. December 2011, 16:33:41
Styleone 
Subject: recruiting
Nothingness, what about your recruiting expedition?
A new Sabotage League tournament can be helpfull to get some good players from IYT to come here...

19. December 2011, 20:53:17
lukulus 
I consider myself as a slow player, or, may be, slower one. Fischer's clock force me to play rather quickly and still there is possibility to make decent ammount of time for case of emergency. Because we paly from different timezones, I consider time bonus 1 day per move as minimal. Set initial time somewhere around 5-7 days and allow to accumulate more than initial time for needs like work, illness, vacations or so.

17. December 2011, 04:55:25
Nothingness 
Subject: recruiting
I'm on a recruiting expedition at IYT. i am playing two strong players. one is very strong. I hope to get them to come over here if their not here already.

5. December 2011, 14:44:54
Nothingness 
Subject: Re: tournament time control
dAGGER: i agree with your assessment on the vacation. the larger sections are difficult but can speed things up.

5. December 2011, 13:36:58
dAGGER 
Subject: Re: tournament time control
Nothingness:
if vacations are not allowed, I think it will not encourage me and a lot of players, because you can easily have any incovenience that prevents you from connecting to the site (sickness, holiday, work, connection breakdown,....).
It would be better to have a short time per move. Usually players can be very slow because they have hundreds of games running and they simply play the first one in the time list. They are always near the time limit.
The problem is: what is a short time for you?
For me it is 2 days, with vacation on.
Maybe it is too long for many others.

5. December 2011, 13:31:16
cookie monster 
Subject: Re: tournament time control
Nothingness:

I think the Fischer Clock controls are reasonable, The default for that control: 7 days with 1 bonus day added for each move seems reasonable. At the limit case, each player gets 1 day per move + weekends. The two slowest players in a tournament would both have to make 100 moves in a game in a year (200 moves + 80 weekend days + 90 vacation days) = roughly one year. Perhaps it would be more weekend days once the vacation kicked in, but close enough. If you play large sections (7 or 8 players) you should finish in two rounds.

4. December 2011, 11:05:08
Chaos 
Subject: Re: tournament time control
Nothingness: you can make it an invitation only tournament, only it will require more of your time.

4. December 2011, 10:27:29
joshi tm 
Modified by joshi tm (4. December 2011, 10:27:55)
It 's a shame that the 6x6 tiny variant doesn't exist. ;)

I like Fast Espionage the most (yup, with the volcanoes), or Open Small Espionage.

For time control you should have the vacation on, as the new format only allows 45 vacation days (60 if they would pay another membership) . If those are all gone, that's over for them. It's fair to assume that players visit the site daily, so use a fixed time per turn, say 1,5 days per turn. If you hate the vacation system, do fixed weekends only or even no days off.

4. December 2011, 04:52:42
Nothingness 
Subject: tournament time control
Modified by Nothingness (4. December 2011, 04:54:53)
I'm thinking about running a prize tourney in the next month or so.. I want to know what the best time control is ( i know best is subjective). I dont want to have it be a tourney that takes years to finish. I also do not want to scare away many individuals that just cant committ to a short time frame? I will also be carefully watching who enters and will be eliminating individuals who move slower than molasses in the winter time. I want this tournament to attract as many individuals as possible. I currently am in a tourney when two individuals have not made there first move yet and they are black rooks ( tons of auto vaca) and the tourney started in october. and they are using 30 day time control.
Also what would attract more players for a variant and format? im looking at Open version and either elimination or 1 game each person 4 player sections.
The volcano versions do not get enough love and the open versions seem to be the most played.
As for the time control im looking at: 1 day plus 12 hour bonus with a 3-5 day max with auto vaca disabled? or a 1 day with 8 hour bonus with a max of 5-7 days. I'm trying to encourage fast play without making it too difficult to manage with daily life. I'm a school teacher so I have a fairly forgiving schedule, others may not. I'm open to suggestions.

28. November 2011, 11:17:21
Celticjim 
Subject: Re: Requests to Fencer
Chaos: ..now I'm confused........the bug makes it possible to in fact not just move forward--that is the bug....it is relevant if you were down to 5 pieces or less surely? Actually now I think about that I'm not sure the piece number relevance is known.Can you link the game in question for us please ...

28. November 2011, 11:09:16
Chaos 
Subject: Re: Requests to Fencer
Celticjim: my pieces were still able to move, but only towards the claws of my waiting opponent. So the bug wasn't relevant in this game.

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