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25. January 2010, 12:40:05
Sandoz 
Subject: food for thought
okay, Mark, here comes my real choice:
- hq
- 2xbomb
- 1xrecon
- 2x5er
- 2x4er
- 1x3er
- 1xsab

total: 10

25. January 2010, 12:44:29
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Sandoz: Thank you, just modified the rules though :)

I can't believe you would go for two bombs though :) In this case I would choose 2x5, 2x4, 2x3, 2x2, 2xRecon and game over :)

25. January 2010, 12:49:08
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: food for thought
SL-Mark: well, with your setup you would probabely loose our game, hehe

25. January 2010, 12:55:42
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Sandoz: But I don't need to capture your base to win, only all your pieces and as I am two pieces up at the start, easy game :) Perhaps we could try it, firstly sacrifice the unwanted pieces at the start so we are left with our chosen pieces, then game on!

25. January 2010, 12:58:51
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: food for thought
SL-Mark: I would simply try to trade one of my 4 + sab against one of your 5ers. And then: I'm king of the board!

25. January 2010, 13:04:40
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Sandoz: Yes, but you don't know that I have no sabs and your single recon would be gone in a flash, without having even detected my 5s :)

25. January 2010, 12:59:07
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Unless we have another rule modification, winner must capture base to win, if this cannot be achieved then game is a draw.

25. January 2010, 14:20:52
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: food for thought
SL-Mark: in that case, it should allways be a 2-game-match. This makes it more interesting from the choosing-point of view.

Different idea: how about a 3-games-match with a fixed set of pieces you choose from in game no 1 and no 2. The third game then is an all-in game (all remaining pieces have to be placed on the board) ?

25. January 2010, 14:31:06
dAGGER 
Subject: Re: food for thought
If the set of pieces is not fixed, but you may choose some of them, I'm afraid it will give two problems:
1) the strategy would not change much, because you don't know the set choosen by your opponent.
2) the uncertainty given by the unknown opponent's pieces would lead to a more difensive and slow game

The most important thing for me in a new variant is a higher speed of the game.

25. January 2010, 22:25:40
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
dAGGER:
1. Yes, I agree with this and was also a concern for Sandoz. But the 3 game match would change this considerably.
2. I think these games would actually play faster, though there are now 3 matches in the game.

As you want speed, another idea, what about atomic sabotage (similar to atomic chess)? Or even extinction sabotage (again similar to extinction chess)

26. January 2010, 14:24:17
dAGGER 
Subject: extinction-atomic espionage
SL-Mark:
I never played Extinction or Atomic chess. I just read the rules and I think we can apply both variant to Espionage with success!
They both comply with "my requests" for the new variant: higher speed and different strategy.

25. January 2010, 22:18:47
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Sandoz: I like the 3 game idea, though for games 1 & 2, white may still choose how many pieces to place, between a max & min, hence ensuring always at least a piece for game 3. (Don't get left with only bombs to place in game 3 :D )

25. January 2010, 22:24:57
Sandoz 
Subject: Re: food for thought
SL-Mark: yes, and don't waste all your big guys in the first round! :)

25. January 2010, 22:27:23
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Sandoz: Thank you, I will keep that in mind

25. January 2010, 12:46:12
SL-Mark 
Subject: Re: food for thought
Rule modification only applies if you think it a good addition.

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