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17. října 2007, 15:49:02

coan.net

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playBunny: The reason I posted that was that the conversation was moving away from a discussion and into an argument - with all points in the subject already covered. Sorry if I did not make myself clear in what I said and possible offended you or something.

(But as a side note - since my post, no new points in the discussion has come up - just the same ones... wow, who could have predicted that.)

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Anyway, as a Moderator of this board - PLEASE keep this board as a place to discuss issues. The discussion has been moving close to being an argument which is not wanted here. Thank you.

17. října 2007, 18:49:50

playBunny

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coan.net: (But as a side note - since my post, no new points in the discussion has come up - just the same ones... wow, who could have predicted that.)

A discussion trailing off isn't necessarily vindication of a "why don't you shut up?" post, it's quite possibly a sign that you piped up redundantly. So who could have predicted it? Anybody.

I'm sorry that you think this is argument rather than discussion. This is the liveliest that this board has been for a long time. Perhaps a sleeping board is preferred?

17. října 2007, 19:14:16

alanback

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playBunny: I think we're not supposed to wake the sleeping webmaster ;-)

17. října 2007, 19:48:26

Thad

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

Czuch: I highly doubt that the dice are unfair. To make them so would require a lot of code. Plus Fencer probably has better ways to repercuss those he does not favor!

However, I would surmise that the dice are not random! After all, it's pretty hard to get a computer, which is designed to do the same thing exactly the same way every single time, to do something repeatedly and get a different result.

But I would guess that they are pretty close. ;-)

I'm sure they are close enough that it would take some serious statistical analysis to prove otherwise.

And even if there is an advantage or disadvantage to the dice, either players is probably just as likely to receive whatever benefit there is, so I believe the game here is fair.

17. října 2007, 19:50:21

coan.net

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playBunny: Some people want it - some people don't. (and some don't care either way) - is there another point of discussion? But whatever, lets keep "discussing it".

Again, sorry if you took it as a "shut up" type of post.

17. října 2007, 20:02:04

rod03801

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

Thad: I don't remember which website it was, (Could have been here, could have been one of the others I play at), but I think one way they make them "random" is by determining the roll by the exact fraction of a second that the player clicks on the game to play it, thus somehow determining the roll. (Which I guess, technically, isn't random at all)

Or maybe I dreamt it.. LOL ...

As has been discussed before, I think most people only "remember" those times that they don't seem very random.

There are times that I, too, would like to see what my opponent's roll is going to be.. (Though, honestly, I don't care that much) I think it is because on a turn based site, it can be SO long before you see the game again, that it's nice to see what your opponent may do with his/her next move, and make a judgment on the move you just made. (Whereas if you have to wait until it gets back to you, your own move isn't very "fresh" in your mind)

17. října 2007, 20:31:25

Thad

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

rod03801: I've read that too. In fact, I used that method in some programs back in my coding days.

Another vote for revealing the rolled dice. Do we really have any for not revealing them (other than folks who think Fencer shouldn't implement it because he should use that time to work on something else instead)?

17. října 2007, 21:10:06

grenv

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

Thad: exactly. Everyone needs to prioritize their work. This seems like something that is a low priority since it doesn't actually affect the game in any meaningful way.

17. října 2007, 21:40:48

Thad

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

grenv: Ok, but how hard can it be? And what other changes are being made that keeps Fencer from doing this one?

17. října 2007, 23:06:17

grenv

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Subjekt: Re: Show me the money. Er, I mean show me the dice!

Thad: I suspect sitting in a bar drinking beer would be a slightly higher priority. It would be for me.

18. října 2007, 00:43:33