the loony left tried to tie the Tea Party to violence? But the opposite was proven true? Yeah.

Well, just recently, a LIBERAL UNION THUG SHOT a non union worker.

Just another violent incident brought to you by the left.

"When the world's two great propaganda systems agree on some doctrine, it requires some intellectual effort to escape its shackles. One such doctrine is that the society created by Lenin and Trotsky and molded further by Stalin and his successors has some relation to socialism in some meaningful or historically accurate sense of this concept. In fact, if there is a relation, it is the relation of contradiction.

It is clear enough why both major propaganda systems insist upon this fantasy. Since its origins, the Soviet State has attempted to harness the energies of its own population and oppressed people elsewhere in the service of the men who took advantage of the popular ferment in Russia in 1917 to seize State power. One major ideological weapon employed to this end has been the claim that the State managers are leading their own society and the world towards the socialist ideal; an impossibility, as any socialist -- surely any serious Marxist -- should have understood at once (many did), and a lie of mammoth proportions as history has revealed since the earliest days of the Bolshevik regime. The taskmasters have attempted to gain legitimacy and support by exploiting the aura of socialist ideals and the respect that is rightly accorded them, to conceal their own ritual practice as they destroyed every vestige of socialism.

As for the world's second major propaganda system, association of socialism with the Soviet Union and its clients serves as a powerful ideological weapon to enforce conformity and obedience to the State capitalist institutions, to ensure that the necessity to rent oneself to the owners and managers of these institutions will be regarded as virtually a natural law, the only alternative to the 'socialist' dungeon.

The Soviet leadership thus portrays itself as socialist to protect its right to wield the club, and Western ideologists adopt the same pretense in order to forestall the threat of a more free and just society. This joint attack on socialism has been highly effective in undermining it in the modern period. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKIu-JjfIXE&feature=related

"he DOESN'T follow with the kooks that call Obama a Commie"

Who cares? The ones taking govm support are commies are the capitalists who benefit from their soundness. While one might not deserve his socialisation *today*, he still needs it for his chance tomorrow. If the capitalist comes along and tells: "eat credit now", it will be the commies prevail over capitalism. It's just a matter of deduction..

Iamon lyme:

Artful Dodger: Phobophobia is a medically recognised phobia.. I don't believe that, I think it's all in his head, but science says otherwise.

Artful Dodger: The UK figures are a failure rate of about 1/3 regarding new businesses. I cannot be accurate on this due to the variations like we have now where small businesses are not getting the support they use to since the banks screwed up

"You've got to make money at a business and lots of it. You have bills to pay and if you can't meet those bills each month, you're not going to make it."

I know.. that's why before you start a business you need to carefully look at your costings. I learnt that years ago when I managed a shop for someone.. which, I nearly did buy, but backed out of once I looked into some of the shady deals that would have come back onto me via debts I was not willing to pick up... only time I've ever been interested in owning my own shop.

Unlike some banks I look into what I'm thinking of buying.

"You can't compete with a big business like America's Target or Walmart store if you're not already established and well grounded in the community."

As you pointed out... Location, product, cash flow, research, marketing. Many of those I see succeeding are not trying to compete with the big boys, they are not stupid.. Like one part of the one I nearly did own he was beating the big boys on certain crucial goods, but would not keep (despite me constantly telling him) stock levels up... That one item kept people flowing into the shop through that at the time being an essential product to computer users. The humble 3.5" floppy. Branded names cost, unbranded didn't.


.................... "The reason you saw paranoia is because you have your own paranoia about being paranoid."

you need to watch some Kenny Everett as yet again you've missed my point. Gotta love that cold war mentality

August 17, 2011

Next Month During A Big Speech Obama Will Reveal A Secret Plan For What They Should Be Doing Now To Boost The Economy And Haven't Been Doing The Past 30 Months But Probably Won't Start Until Next Year

President Teleprompter prepares for a big job creation speech next month:

Seeking to jolt the economy, President Barack Obama will unveil new ideas to create jobs and help the struggling poor and middle class in a major speech after Labor Day. And then he will try to seize political advantage by spending the fall pressuring Congress to act on his plan.

I'm so excited! I can't wait for the big speech! I know the last eight 'boost-the-economy' speeches were just a warm-up for this one!

Taking bets now. Who/What will Obama blame this time for the failing economy?

A. Bush
B. The Tea Party (aka "terrorists")

C. Republican Congress

D. Arab Spring

E. Bad mojo/luck/karma

F. All of the above

G. None of the above (new excuse)


Winner(s) will receive gloating rights in comments.

Last year the Virginia legislature passed a law allowing those with gun permits to carry concealed weapons into bars and restaurants serving alcohol. Opponents predicted Wild West shootings and bloody mayhem from drunken patrons; instead



The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.

(V): The reason you saw paranoia is because you have your own paranoia about being paranoid.

(V): Complete rubbish. It's near impossible to sell the same things as the big stores sell and stay in business. Most new businesses fail. It's not just about brains (although that does help). You can't compete with a big business like America's Target or Walmart store if you're not already established and well grounded in the community.

You've got to make money at a business and lots of it. You have bills to pay and if you can't meet those bills each month, you're not going to make it. Do some small mom and pops thrive? Yes. Location is one reason. And the type of product being sold is another ingredient for success. But MANY small business have gone the way of the dinosaur because they could no longer compete.

And if you're so smart about it, how come you don't own your own small business if it's so easy? Easy to talk the talk but in reality, you'd fail like so many others. Most fail.

Übergeek 바둑이: In Socialism, there's a heavy does of entitlements. When people don't develop a sense of personal responsibility, they tend to be lazy and think that they are owed something just for existing. People in America think they are entitled as well. The unions are a good example. Union members think that since they pay dues, they are entitled to protection in their jobs even to the point that they can't be fired for anything. That's entitlement. And in the unions, this sense of entitlment leads to violence on many occasions. They turn into thugs. All products of socialistic ideas.

Artful Dodger: Yes I saw.... but I also saw the paranoia still present in him having to say...

"but by saying completely off the wall, totally ignorant stuff like this, he reminds me of factory managers in the old Soviet Union"

hello...... soviet union .. communism.... USSR... socialism... all in that little sentance.

Have you ever thought Dan that due to the difference in how the cold war affected the UK and the USA...... us in the UK might have developed a different perspective when it comes to the likes of what that guy said.

Artful Dodger: Many chains have gone out of business here due to overheads. Most of what the chains sell can be bought from small shops or (what I call) warehouse internet shops for 50% or more off.... and one of them due to a stupid law (soon to be gone??)

..... as for "mom and pop's" ... we've seen so many new ones open up in the last few years as people have migrated back to using them in the UK. The area I live in is 80% independents and many offer goods that cannot be bought in chains.

"It's tough to compete with a huge store."

Not if you've got brains.

Artful Dodger:

> Where has socialism succeeded?

The capitalist version of socialism: Sweden, Norway, Austria and others

The communist version is more dubious due to the human rights record: People's Republic of China (the fastest growing economy in the world), Cuba (the best health care and educational system in the western hemisphere)

It all depends on how one defines success: is it wealth? higher standard of living? improvements in per capita income?

You still didn't answer my question: what does socialism have to do with the riots?

rod03801: The left has no shame when it comes to lying. A left wing commentator actually came out and defended Ed and denied that he edited anything and she went so far as to say the missing part was actually there. But clearly it wasn't.

Seriously, these people need jail time. first waterboard them, then depreive them of sleep, water board them again, throw ice water on them, play loud middle east music, and then force feed them canned dog food.

Then throw them in jail. And as further torture, have them listen to The Great One's speeches over and over and over...24/7.

Artful Dodger: What a lying scum bag that guy is. I can't stand him. And so many silly libs follow what idiots like him say and assume it's the truth. Sheep.



I think this link works, in case it isn't the lead story long.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/nbc-news-caught-red-handed-selectively-editing-doctoring-video-smear-gov-perry-racist

http://www.mrctv.org/

Try this link. The video is the lead story at the moment.

rod03801: hmmm, I'll try again.

Artful Dodger: didn't work for me

http://www.mrctv.org/video/104680

Let's waterboard the little fat guy Eddie until he cries mommy!

Übergeek 바둑이: Where has socialism succeeded?

Übergeek 바둑이: The government is inept when it comes to financial matters. They can't run a lemonade stand let alone a car company.

Businesses sell what's in demand. You can't legislate that.

Artful Dodger:

> No. Socialism has failed. Nice try tho.

How so? First, can you prove that the riots and socialism are connected, and if so, how? Second, can you prove the points in my post wrong? I argues that the riots came as a result of an ideological and social failure in capitalism. What does socialism have to do with the riots? It is much easier to blame socialism rather than admit that consumer capitalism has gone worng.

Artful Dodger:

> "You can't just make money on SUVs and trucks," Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. "There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money."

Carmakers got a bailout. The government IS a shareholder in those companies. Carmakers insist in making large vehicles. That is fine. However, crude oil is at $80-$100 per barrel with the economy in tatters. What will happen to the price of oil when the economy recovers? We will see $200 crude, and $8 per gallon of gasoline. In the meantime, the car industry insists on building big cars as if nothing is going to happen. That only means that YOUR tax dollars will be peed down the drain because carmakers will be unable to compete with cheaper, smaller and more economical Korean and Japanese cars. The sooner carmakers make the change, the better prepared they will be to pay back the tax dollars they received in the bailout.

Pedro Martínez: Exactly. And a one time purchase of an item where you save 80% means nothing. Here in the US, if a store actually was selling an item that was 80% less than what the big store was selling it for, they'd match that price. Some big stores will match plus 10%. People want to save money and that's why places like Walmart in the US are so huge.

Artful Dodger: As for chain stores, you almost ALWAYS save money shopping there. Overhead doesn't matter when you sell in bulk. That's why so many mom and pop's have gone out of business. It's tough to compete with a huge store.

Exactly. If I got 80% off on each purchase I make “by avoiding a chain of stores and going to a local shop”, the chain stores would soon go bankrupt.

(V): um, the writer said that he DOESN'T follow with the kooks that call Obama a Commie. That wasn't even a point in his article. Do you Brits even read for context???

(V): You're still buying products from major corporations. Can't be avoided. And it's faulty reasoning to overgeneralize when your trying to make a point. Not all businesses try to rip people off. Fact is, most don't.

As for chain stores, you almost ALWAYS save money shopping there. Overhead doesn't matter when you sell in bulk. That's why so many mom and pop's have gone out of business. It's tough to compete with a huge store.

What these days is a Commie?

Got to love American paranoia!!

Artful Dodger: .. pretty good when I goto smaller unchained stores. I got 80% off recently by avoiding a chain of stores and going to a local shop and getting a deal.

Some goods are inherently cheaper by the small independents not having to spend millions on advertising.

My analysis is based on real events in the UK.

"Regulating is one thing. Over regulating another."

If we could trust the men in suits fine.... but as the banks have shown that left as they were with less regulation, businesses the bigger they are will break such regulation due to lack of accountability.

America's Whining CEO
Keith Edwards




So how fast would it take a board of directors of any fortune 500 company, forced by angry stockholders, to dump a CEO that did nothing but whine, make excuses, and blame everyone else but himself for his poor job performance and lack of results?

Based on lofty platitudes and hope and change, America hired Barack Obama as their CEO almost three years ago, on the promise that he could turn around the staggering economy.


Well, that hasn't happened, and the economy has actually gotten worse.

And what does America's CEO have to say to the stockholders for his poor job performance?

It's not my fault. It's the weather, it's Europe, it's the Arab Spring, it's Wall Street, it's the greedy rich, it's low revenue, it's an unbalanced approach, it's the oil companies, it's the banks, it's mortgage companies, it's credit card companies, it's ATM machines, it's unemployment benefit limits, it's all those wars, it's right to work states, it's global warming, it's the debt ceiling debate, it's oil speculators, it's the internal combustion engine, it's Republicans, it's incandescent light bulbs, it's low emission standards, it's the Tea Party, it's Rush Limbaugh, it's FOX News, it's - it's - it's - it's time for another vacation and a couple of rounds of golf.

And there you have it, America's top CEO's list or reasons for his failed policies and dismal job performance. Makes you proud to be an American doesn't it?

Obama is such and incompetent loser. An ignoramus of monumental proportions.

August 16, 2011
Obama to carmakers: Stop making so many products that people want!
Rick Moran




I don't truck with those who call Obama a commie, but by saying completely off the wall, totally ignorant stuff like this, he reminds me of factory managers in the old Soviet Union who would deliberately slow production on products that were popular because it created too much paperwork for them.

The Hill:


The country's automakers should ditch their focus on SUVs and trucks in favor of smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles, President Obama said Monday.

"You can't just make money on SUVs and trucks," Obama said during a town hall forum in Cannon Falls, Minn. "There is a place for SUVs and trucks, but as gas prices keep on going up, you have got to understand the market. People are going to try to save money."

Obama has positioned the revival and reshaping of the auto industry as a major part of his administration's push to improve the economy and create jobs.

A man with zero business experience is telling carmakers that they've got to "understand the market?" The closest Obama ever got to a business was when he was picketing them back in his community organizing days.

"Understanding the market" means making products that people want to buy. People want to buy SUV's and nice, big, shiny, awesome American trucks - at least as long as they can afford to fill them up.

And guess what? If gas prices get to high, Americans will then start buying smaller cars that use fuel more economically. That the president doesn't "understand the market" is a given. Why he is lecturing auto makers about how to make money is the real mystery.

(V): Stop buying products from corporations and see how far that gets you.

Your analisis is faulty.

Regulating is one thing. Over regulating another.

Artful Dodger: So's capitalism. A free market ends up with monopolies who endeavour to rip off everyone. Or as we have seen recently in the UK, unable to live upto their contractual obligations or don't care if as a result their cost cutting leads to abuse.

While money creation for stock prices and shareholders is the highest priority, accountability be damned... that's why our governments need to regulate.

English society have been there for years. As Theodore Dalrymple, the physician turned social commentator and editor of The New English Review writes.


"The ferocious criminality exhibited by an uncomfortably large section of the English population during the current riots has not surprised me in the least. I have been writing about it, in its slightly less acute manifestations, for the past 20 years. To have spotted it required no great perspicacity on my part; rather, it took a peculiar cowardly blindness, one regularly displayed by the British intelligentsia and political class, not to see it and not to realize its significance. There is nothing that an intellectual less likes to change than his mind, or a politician his policy."

Übergeek 바둑이: No. Socialism has failed. Nice try tho.

Artful Dodger: Oh, btw. I'm regularly amazed seeing jobless mopes driving fat cars and such. But you have to admit, it fits perfectly in a capitalistic system.

Übergeek 바둑이: I can I give you a notion of the silent anarchy, the spirited fight against injustice, the revolution of gestures, the wipe out with intelligence and the since ever better arguments. That's a philosophic work. No baseball bats involved. The fight goes on since when? 5000 years? Our generation can make significant steps forward, and we have to. The world is at the edge of being destroyed.

Übergeek 바둑이: It does, indeed.
In '91 it was the people defending Jelzin and Gorbachev from being putched. At this point the russians wanted to maintain the soviet union, but wanted a democratic elected and strong president. The sovietunion was struck in a economic immobility, and the people absolutely wanted, needed a change. Through the time, people went out to the street, to be tanked down. From weirdos in marxist disguise.

gogul:

All econnomies in the wrold today are planned, or to be more accurate: managed. Since the end of the Great Depression all governments have instituted central banks that effectively manage and plan the economy. There are strict controls over interest rates, treasury bill and other bond tendering, money eupply, etc. During the Cold War capitalist countries criticized the centrally planned system of the Soviet Union, but never admitted to effectively doing the same through their central banks. A good example was this last week in which Ben Bernanke said that the USa would not raise its interest rates for the next two years. They have already "planned" to "stimulate the economy" with low interest rates. It is funny that the failure of the american economy today is similar to the failure of the Soviet economy. Back in the 1980s the Soviet Union borrowed too much money and was not able to pay back its loans. Does that sound similar to the USA (and most capitalist economies) today?

Übergeek 바둑이: funnily Switzerland was among the first countries with agriculture planned economy. And it worked.




google for "Prager Frühling 1968"

gogul:

The Soviet collapse had little to do with the people. If anything, there was no revolution there. There were no masses storming the Kremlin. The Soviet Union failed because the economy was bad. Russia (and most of the other republics) depended on the sale of commodities (oil, gas, metals, minerals, etc.) In the 1980s there was massive deflation in commodity prices and that lead to a collapse of the Soviet economy. Today Russia is better, because the prices of oil, gas, metals and other commodities are so high. In the end, the Russian people didn't really fight to end communism. It was not even a popular uprising. It wa an economic failure, nothing more.

By the way, it's not capitalism that won over a soviet failure. It was the peoples lionhearted courage, not the terror organization CIA in the chicken background. Hungary, Poland 1956. Czechoslovakia 1968, they tore down the wall, not reagan, not kohl, it was the "wir sind das volk". That's something completely different. Capitalism is seductive to some with a affinity to immorality, but it's a total outdated attitude.

Übergeek 바둑이: Right wing is far from bourgeois, not even share holding cravat fashion is. This neoconservative experiment was supposed to be the start of the end of history, like the capitalist victory over communism. We bourgeois need to destroy capitalism too, obviously. But "real" Americans don't care about 9.1% jobless rate, why should one look after losers. Americans are not into christians values, they are brute.

Artful Dodger: this is so wrong.

Artful Dodger:

> It doesn’t look like socialism panned out the way they promised you, eh? Shocker.

Could it be perhaps that what failed is not socialism, but capitalism? After all. the UK is a capitalist country. Capitalism has tried to sell consumerism as a cure for the ills of the world. To paraphrase "leading" economists, if a nations consumption is increased, so is its economic output. The riots in the UK are a failure of consumerism. Fast food, cheap trashy disposables, electronic trinkets and pseudofashion are not substitutes for a beleif system, and they do not provide an outlet for social discontent. Bourgeois right wing "experts" will now appoint themselves as arbiters of what is good and bad. Yet in their traditional right wing hatred of the working class these men will blame "lack of morality" and "socialism" for what in essence is a failure of capitalism. This si the same failure that makes young men take firearms, walk into a school and shoot their classmates. This is the morality of television and video games. We don't see these "experts" say anything about how governments have done everything in their power to let youth be exposed to violence, pornography and the glorification of crime in the name of "freedom of expression" and allowing media companies their right to "free enterprise", even if it means poisoning the minds of our world's youth. Profits for video game makers, TV and movie producers, pornographers and media barons are more important than educating youth and curtailing the destructive, violent and mysogynistic indoctrination of our children.

So what is to blame, socialism, or the capitalist "free enterprise" that allows the degradation of our youth in the name of profit?

Artful Dodger: love it,,,, agree with that utterly and completely...

"Britain’s “working class youth”? Don’t you have to “work” to be “working class”? It doesn’t look like socialism panned out the way they promised you, eh? Shocker.

Word to the BBC: How about we call these “working class youths” something more like “non-working, government-sponging entitlement mooks”?How’s that? I think that’s probably a better name for these bellicose nabobs on the government dole."

Doug Giles