According to the history based on documents released to the National Security Archive and reflected in the book Mohammad Mosaddeq and the 1953 Coup in Iran, edited by Mark J. Gasiorowski and Malcolm Byrne, the coup caused long-lasting damage to the U.S. reputation.

"The '28 Mordad' coup, as it is known by its Persian date, was a watershed for Iran, for the Middle East and for the standing of the United States in the region. The joint U.S.-British operation ended Iran's drive to assert sovereign control over its own resources and helped put an end to a vibrant chapter in the history of the country's nationalist and democratic movements. These consequences resonated with dramatic effect in later years. When the Shah finally fell in 1979, memories of the U.S. intervention in 1953, which made possible the monarch's subsequent, and increasingly unpopular, 25-year reign intensified the anti-American character of the revolution in the minds of many Iranians."[102]

The authoritarian monarch installed in the coup appreciated the coup, Kermit Roosevelt wrote in his account of the affair. "'I owe my throne to God, my people, my army and to you!' By 'you' he [the shah] meant me and the two countries—Great Britain and the United States—I was representing. We were all heroes."[103]

On 16 June 2000, The New York Times published the secret CIA report, "Clandestine Service History, Overthrow Of Premier Mossadeq Of Iran, November 1952 – August 1953," partly explaining the coup from CIA agent Wilber's perspective. In a related story, The New York Times reporter James Risen penned a story revealing that Wilber's report, hidden for nearly five decades, had recently come to light.

In the summer of 2001, Ervand Abrahamian wrote in the journal Science & Society that Wilber's version of the coup was missing key information some of which was available elsewhere.

The New York Times recently leaked a CIA report on the 1953 American-British overthrow of Mosaddeq, Iran's Prime Minister. It billed the report as a secret history of the secret coup, and treated it as an invaluable substitute for the U.S. files that remain inaccessible. But a reconstruction of the coup from other sources, especially from the archives of the British Foreign Office, indicates that this report is highly sanitized. It glosses over such sensitive issues as the crucial participation of the U.S. ambassador in the actual overthrow; the role of U.S. military advisers; the harnessing of local Nazis and Muslim terrorists; and the use of assassinations to destabilize the government. What is more, it places the coup in the context of the Cold War rather than that of the Anglo-Iranian oil crisis—a classic case of nationalism clashing with imperialism in the Third World. [104]

In a review of Tim Weiner's Legacy of Ashes, historian Michael Beschloss wrote, "Mr. Weiner argues that a bad C.I.A. track record has encouraged many of our gravest contemporary problems... A generation of Iranians grew up knowing that the C.I.A. had installed the shah," Mr. Weiner notes. "In time, the chaos that the agency had created in the streets of Tehran would return to haunt the United States."[105]

The administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower considered the coup a success, but, given its blowback, that opinion is no longer generally held, because of its "haunting and terrible legacy".[106] In 2000, Madeleine Albright, U.S. Secretary of State, said that intervention by the U.S. in the internal affairs of Iran was a setback for democratic government.[107][108] The coup d'état was "a critical event in post-war world history" that destroyed Iran's secular parliamentary democracy, by re-installing the monarchy of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, as an authoritarian ruler.[109] The coup is widely believed to have significantly contributed to the 1979 Iranian Revolution, which deposed the pro-Western Shah and replaced the monarchy with an anti-Western Islamic Republic.[22]

"For many Iranians, the coup demonstrated duplicity by the United States, which presented itself as a defender of freedom but did not hesitate to use underhanded methods to overthrow a democratically elected government to suit its own economic and strategic interests", the Agence France-Presse reported.[110]

"The world has paid a heavy price for the lack of democracy in most of the Middle East. Operation Ajax taught tyrants and aspiring tyrants that the world's most powerful governments were willing to tolerate limitless oppression as long as oppressive regimes were friendly to the West and to Western oil companies. That helped tilt the political balance in a vast region away from freedom and toward dictatorship."[111] The United States initially considered the coup to be a triumph of Cold War covert action, but given its blowback, Kinzer wrote that it is difficult to imagine an outcome "that would have produced as much pain and horror over the next half century as that produced by Operation Ajax" had "American and British intelligence officers not meddled so shamelessly in (Iran"s) domestic affairs."[112]

>>>>> Reminds me of a little ditty....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqCknCOllg

MissDelish: Never be for pawns... to much risk of certain members going MAD with multinicks being used to cause confusion, or to just 'grab' more attention to themselves.

Iamon lyme: oops,sorry LamonLyme. corrected spelling. It would be nice if we could go back and correct our mistakes on these boards :(

@sigh@ wish I had enough money to put in that LemonLime. (V) is lucky to have enough to put in there.

(V): Get yourself one of these and quit worrying about it already... Sheesh!

Iamon lyme:

Evidence points to macrobial life existing on Mars.

(V): "hares of Standard Chartered have tumbled despite the bank denying allegations that it illegally "schemed" with Iran to launder money."

hares??

A bunch of rabbits owned by Standard Chartered fell down? A flight of stairs?

"Has anyone got a way of lacing the bankers champers with laxatives?? "

Been experimenting have ya?

So do want to "stick it" to all bankers or just the guilty ones? I don't do business with the bank. Credit Unions are the way to go. Money is secure and you don't have all the fees AND they are local and serve the community.

I'd rather lace the food of those lazy able-bodied welfare cheats with laxatives. That will get them off their asses!

hares of Standard Chartered have tumbled despite the bank denying allegations that it illegally "schemed" with Iran to launder money.

Shares in London fell 16.7%, about as much as its Hong Kong stock dropped.

The New York State Department of Financial Services said the UK-based bank laundered as much as $250bn (£161bn) over nearly a decade. It said the bank hid transactions for "Iranian financial institutions" that were subject to US economic sanctions.

The regulator said that Standard Chartered had hidden 60,000 such secret transactions. However, the bank denied the allegations, saying that it "strongly rejects the position or portrayal of facts as set out in the order" issued by the regulator....

......The regulator said that its nine-month investigation, which involved looking through more than 30,000 pages of documents, including internal bank emails, showed that the bank reaped "hundreds of millions of dollars in fees".

"SCB's actions left the US financial system vulnerable to terrorists, weapons dealers, drug kingpins and corrupt regimes, and deprived law enforcement investigators of crucial information used to track all manner of criminal activity," it said....

>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone got a way of lacing the bankers champers with laxatives??

there is a city that is one of the safest cities in America. Kennesaw, Georgia where gun ownership is a mandatory right. The city was selected by Family Circle magazine as one of the nation’s 10 best cities for families. “The award was aimed at identifying the best communities nationally that combine big-city opportunities with suburban charm, a blend of affordable housing, good jobs, top-rated public schools, wide-open spaces, and less stress.”

In 1982 the city passed the following ordinance [Sec 34-21] which was in response to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill.

(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.

(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.

Notice the part that reads exempt if you conscientiously oppose firearms, you do not need to buy a gun. Therefore, the Democrats do not need to by a gun but they can still enjoy life because everybody else in town has their back. There is still crime in Kennesaw but they are limited to the area of town that does not permit guns. There were three murders in 2010 committed by the same man in what is described as a “school safety zone,” an area extending 1,000 feet from any school, including adult colleges and technical schools. This means that even though Kennesaw has the most conservative gun laws in the United States, employees at the facility where the murders were committed could not have a gun on the premises because the Democrats were able to secure those areas as anti-gun.


Read the rest here:
http://guardianlv.com/2012/07/pro-gun-cities-have-less-crime/

*any comments against the Guardian simply means you are a pinhead and a moron. No attacks on the messenger (exceptions are made for the Daily Kos and Huffington, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc)

(V): One store, one example, and you think that you've made the case against guns? The reality is that in the UK there is a growing threat of violent crime.

Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK.

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.


The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

It also recorded the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU, and the highest absolute number of burglaries, with double the number of offences recorded in Germany and France.

Overall, 5.4 million crimes were recorded in the UK in 2007 - more than 10 a minute - second only to Sweden.

It's irresponsible to suggest that all a person has to do is a bit of slapping about and the criminal will flee. Idiotic. And let's not forget that awful incident with the dreaded handbag!!!

Granny needs a gun in her hand bag. Then when the criminals come, she takes it out, aims, pulls the trigger and kills as many as she can before they can get away. A dead criminal can't offend again. And there's no cost to put dead criminals in jail. Slapping them about does nothing. Shooting off their kneecaps does.

Vikings: We don't tend to have many killers in the UK. A mate of mine last year dealt (he's a store manager) with someone who walked in and the tried to walk out with a crate of beer... He ran after him, gave him a bit of a slapping (UK term) and left it at that.He sent a message to anyone else who was thinking of theiving from his store that you won't get away with it.

The store has not been hit since.

Most ridiculous British laws:

1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament

2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside-down

3. In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless except as a clerk in a tropical fish store

4. Mince pies cannot be eaten on Christmas Day

5. In Scotland, if someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter

6. In the UK a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet

7. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen

8. It is illegal not to tell the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing

9. It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament in a suit of armour

10. In the city of York it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow

Most ridiculous foreign laws:

1. In Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk

2. In Indonesia, the penalty for masturbation is decapitation (which head do they cut off?)

3. In Bahrain, a male doctor can only examine the genitals of a woman in the reflection of a mirror

4. In Switzerland, a man may not relieve himself standing up after 10pm

5. In Alabama, it is illegal to be blindfolded while driving a vehicle

6. In Florida, unmarried women who parachute on a Sunday could be jailed

7. In Vermont, women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth

8. In Milan, it is a legal requirement to smile at all times, except funerals or hospital visits

9. In Japan, there is no age of consent

10. In France, it is illegal to name a pig Napoleon

Vikings: Okay, so she made a big bloody mess in the house... so what? Kids will be kids. I think the dad ought to at least take her out for some ice cream. That's what I would do.

(V): thats nice that she frightened them off........................to go steal from someone else, This girl made sure that these thieves, killers, will never do it again!!!!!!!

(V): "...a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag."

When will these guys ever learn? You just don't mess around with granny! It never ends well.

Vikings: "He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals."

Ouch! And I'll bet it wasn't the abdomen wound that killed him...

As the father of three girls (all adults now) I have a fairly good idea of how the father must be feeling about this... pretty damn good!

Vikings: It would in the UK. Like the time when a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag.

(V): Once again the quick fix of gun regulations rears its ugly head.  Chicago has strict gun laws but the criminals don't follow the rules.  Imagine that! 

50,000 people are killed in knife attacks each year.  Let's ban silverwear.  On a more serious note, if a loon wants to kill people, there are plenty of ways to kill people.  Knives, machetes, cross bow, Exacto knives (what they used to take over the airplanes on 911,) poisions,  cars, mobs.....if you can think it, you can use it. 

But leave it to the left wing loons to use a tragedy to push for gun control. They are ok with knives killing people.  They are ok if cars kill people.  But use a gun, now that's a terrible crime.

These are the same people BTW that are perfectly fine with a doctor reaching into the womb and ripping apart a defenseless human being.   These are the same people that are ok with partially delivering a baby (leaving the head in the mother) and cutting a slit in the back of the baby's head and sucking it's brains out a tube.  THAT is fine with these people.  But gun ownership?  God forbid thousands die from guns but millions from abortions, yeah, they are ok with that.

Spare the rest of us your feigned outrage.

Teen kills NINE in knife attack.

And how about this one closer to home

Six people killed in Knife Attack!

Let's get the government involved in regulating knife purchases too while we're at it.  ~sigh

Butte, Montana
Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.


Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.



It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.


Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........?
An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself.

US authorities have said they are investigating reports that a gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin had white supremacist links.

Wade Michael Page, 40, who was gunned down by police during Sunday's attack near Milwaukee, reportedly performed in a far-right music group. President Barack Obama said on Monday "soul searching" was needed about how to reduce violence in the US.

The FBI is treating the attack as a possible domestic terrorism case. American Sikhs have reported being targeted since the 9/11 attacks, because they are mistaken for Muslims as a result of wearing turbans and beards.

Police chief John Edwards told a Monday morning news conference they were confident Page was the only shooter.

The gunman opened fire at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek as dozens of people were preparing for a service on Sunday morning. Five men and a woman aged between 39 and 84 died. Four people were found dead inside the building, and two outside....

....The gunman also fired at a police car and ignored orders to drop his weapon, before he was shot dead outside by police, said the authorities.

Page used a 9mm semi-automatic pistol, which was recovered at the scene and had been bought legally, authorities said.

A civil rights group, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has described Page as a "frustrated neo-Nazi".

>>>> A Joker and now a neo nazi... when are the gun laws in the USA going to get responsible, to which the nutters in the USA are screened out before they get the chance to buy thousands of rounds of ammunition online in one hit and kill people? Is it so against the 'constitution' that mentally unstable people are restricted from owning guns? Can't they just have one like in the old days???

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Iamon lyme:

Artful Dodger: They'll have as much luck finding evidence of microbial life on mars as they have had in finding intelligible radio signals from space. I mean seriously, it's not enough to be looking for intelligible communications right here on earth?

There are many more factors that go into conditions suitable for life than just being in the "goldilocks zone". Or in just finding water within the goldilocks zone.

Of all the people NOT inclined to oversimplify what it takes for life to survive (much less flourish) you would think NASA scientists should be near the top of that list. No one can tell me that belief (aka, faith) isn't a factor in their thinking.

Iamon lyme: I'll bet that since they don't have any control of that Rover that something goes wrong. Maybe crashes even. But not to worry as the little Martians have unique fixit tools (unique to us that is) and they can fix anything (except our economy - I know this because Obama is from Mars).

Other than that, the bunny seems to be ok. The cat loves to play with the yarn ball. Any old one will do.

Iamon lyme: See?! I knew it. Well when traveling, I always look for the closest Starbucks. I just made my Gold!

(V): "...the possibility that this world may once have hosted microbial life."

Mars awaits our arrival...

The Col: ... Hopefully to defrost and analysis the residue!!

(V): Does Halliburton have the contract?

The Col: I bet their sweepers get extra for all the refined metals they find. Maybe we can hire them to sweep Earth's orbit of all the ... ... residue

(V): Our pristine record of respecting our own planet must have all those Martians excited about our latest probe

(V): Crossing your fingers won't help. But precise calculations will. So I'm banking on the math.

In the next few hours Nasa will attempt to land its one-tonne Curiosity rover on the Red Planet to study the possibility that this world may once have hosted microbial life.

The vehicle is packed with scientific instruments, including a laser that can zap rocks to determine their make-up. Curiosity is currently hurtling through space, close to the end of a 570 million km journey from Earth.

Engineers describe its trajectory as near-perfect and they have passed up the last two opportunities to make course corrections. The rover, tucked inside a protective shell, is due to begin its descent to the surface at 05:24 GMT, Monday (06:24 BST; 22:24 PDT, Sun).

A signal confirming it has landed inside a deep depression known as Gale Crater is expected on Earth about seven minutes later, at 05:31 GMT.

But getting this audacious exploration project safely down will be a colossal challenge. Two-thirds of all missions sent to the Red Planet have failed, a good many lost on entry into the thin but unforgiving Martian atmosphere.

>>>>>>>fingers crossed!!

Vikings: ohhhh, big letters too. That must mean you really mean it. ok. I was winning too.

And now Jules, please name a politician that has had an original thought. Take your time but do it before hell freezes.

Subject: Re:Liberals love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas.

Are you being a hypocrite Daniel?

MissDelish: And

I'm funny. And smart. And interesting. And thoughtful. And right.

Jules is just boring.

MissDelish: I beg to differ: My stuff may be a load of rubbish (sometimes there are treasures found in rubbish) but Jules stuff is simply a load of crap (and in a load of crap you'll likely find maggots and a foul smell).

MissDelish: Best sentence all night!!

but they are interesting really even if it is aload of rubbish.

Silvery Moon: they do bicker a lot and reading back - waaaay back others have been told off for doing the same thing. These two must be special.

(V): I should have known. YOu don't like to stay on point because it's easier to pettifog when you ignore the point. Besides, when you don't have a cogent point, rabbit trails are necessary for you.

Artful Dodger: I'm sorry, but we've been through this with your buddy. I don't have to do anything if I choose not to.

The moderators say so

I'd rather spend the time on Diablo 3

(V): You're boring me again. Stay on point.

Subject: Re:Liberals love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas.

ified by (V) (5. August 2012, 18:08:14)
Artful Dodger: You and your buddy do enough of that.. If liberals "love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas" .. then you and your buddy must find it... orgasmic.

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Subject: Note to everyone
Please note how Jules will now try to refute Descartes even though he's quoted him in the past. It never ends.

Pettifog much? Obfuscate?



Next, Jules will try to teach God a lesson too.
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