Tuesday: I don't agree with selective abortion.The decision should never be based on the child either being a future genius, or seriel killer........actually, one could quite easily be both, but you get my drift

Tuesday: The issue may be more complex than I originally thought,but, we still are in "agree to disagree" mode

Tuesday: Would the woman not feel the victim to be forced to carry the child of the rapist against her will?

Tuesday: We can agree to disagree on this one

Tuesday: Are you of the opinion that an individual should be forced to carry a child even if was from a rape or incest?

Tuesday: From progs describing the having a baby.. it is a bit of a fight between mum and baby... that's why things can go wrong. It'll never be a 100% process.

(V): Well,that's where Obama loses me, if he had no intention of dealing with issues such as lobbying, he should have kept his mouth shut on the campaign trail.He has actually broadened the ability for major corporations to spend on campaigns, not limited them

Jim Dandy: No-one has. They are to afraid to face down the big corporations and lose out on the gravy train that comes after being in office. We have the problem in the UK even though there are regs and laws to stop such if caught.

(V): Ending lobbying would go a long way towards putting the power back with the people who elect.Obama has not been helpful in this regard

Tuesday: If God didn't want abortions.. why does The I AM allow miscariages to happen, still borns and bad mutations? In some respects we do not show the same respect that we do to animals in the name of a collection of words often mistranslated and used. God breathed life into clay.. clay did not make life.

Jim Dandy: She'll never throw as good as one as the Queen's tea parties!! If they want to do something... end the lobbying system. But that has to be a national campaign transcending party lines.

When Blair lied and led Parliament into the war millions marched despite party as one.

(V): Well,these positions aside, as AD pointed out, she's a Tea Party fave, and has been labled "Mrs. Tea Party"

Jim Dandy: .. I can see why that would cause a stir. Especially in the case of incest.. genetically that is a most unsafe prospect.. and what if the kid is adopted on and then wants to find out it's real parents.

Artful Dodger: Sharron caused a stir with her position against abortion even in cases of rape and incest

Jim Dandy: What you call a witch hunt is what political parties do all day long. They find the chink in the armor of an opponent and they go after that. Democrats, Republicans, Whateverans, they ALL do it.

The NAACP just passed a resolution against the Tea Party. Are they on a witch hunt?

To be on a witch hunt, you have to be looking for issues/problems that don't exist. In Salem, they were looking for witches which some there were only happy to help find. Even if that meant lying (which most did if not all). The Tea Party is not a a witch hunt. They are a political group exercising their Constitutional right to participate in the political process. And consistent with that right is their right to oppose candidates that don't represent their views. Additionally, they have the right to actively oppose those politicians with campaigns to defeat those they oppose and put in place those with whom they agree. This is what ALL parties do.

So what is wrong with that? Simply calling something a witch hunt explains nothing. It's a lazy way to have a discussion. He's a liar. She's a racist. They are on a witch hunt. What the hell kind of argument are those lazy statements? They say nothing unless backed with a rational and well formulated argument with examples and explanations. You've given the former and totally avoided the latter.

What makes your statements against the Tea Party any less of a witch hunt as you put it?

Jim Dandy: I've checked her out a little. I'm not seeing a major story here. Aside from a few remarks that some found objectionable, she's a politician. She's NOT the Tea Party. She IS a Tea Party favorite. Lower taxes, support small business growth (the real backbone of the US economy) smaller government, State's rights, adherence to the Constitution - sounds good to me.

Jim Dandy: Witch hunts never end up good... McCarthyism is a prime example. I say non entity as we in the UK have witnessed a party having two or more go for being elected as an MP.. It splits the vote. The Republicans might end up fighting a tea party favourite therefore losing out entirely to the Democrats.

(V): While I can't see the Republicans become a "non entity regarding major elections"
The current witch hunt will not have a happy ending IMO

Jim Dandy: The tea party movement will just cause the GOP to be a non entity regarding major elections. The Democrats must be laughing at the infighting over who's a better conservative. Just like happened in the USSR under Stalin and any other movement that has sought to micro analysis what it is to be a good party member.

Ferris Bueller: Aye.. I read that it changed since the 60's and then again in the 80's under Raygun. As did the the voting of the southern states from Democrats to Republican. It seems modern USA conservatives (such as tea party fanatics) have put idiology over their country.

You can't go back in time and think 'X' is right as the world has changed. The lines as defined under the cold war period have gone.

Artful Dodger: Sharron Angle is considered "Mrs. Tea Party" , you should check her out

100,000 dollars have been offered for ANYONE that can show video where someone yelled the "n" word at a the Tea Party Rally. NO ONE has come forward to collect.

The liberals simply lied once again. And the NAACP is playing the race card, again. Identity politics. Shameful

Breitbart Exposes the ‘N Word’ Lie on Hannity
by Larry O'Connor
Andrew Breitbart appeared on the ‘Hannity’ show tonight to discuss the NAACP’s resolution condemning the Tea Party Movement as racist. The NAACP used the dubious claims of Rep. Andre Carson, that fifteen protestors yelled racial slurs at him fifteen times on March 20th prior to a vote on ObamaCare in Washington DC.

Breitbart conducted a search of all available video of the moment Rep. Carson described – as he and Rep. John Lewis “came down the steps at (the) Cannon” Office Building on their way to the Capitol.

This segment on ‘Hannity’ marks the very first time these videos, which show no evidence of anyone shouting racial slurs and which contradict every description Rep. Carson made of the scene, have been shown on national television.

Given that this false charge has become the basis for the nation’s oldest and most respected civil rights organization to label an entire political movement as racist, it will be instructive to see which other media outlets pick up the story as well.


For their convenience, we will be happy to make all of the the unedited videos available for them

Jim Dandy: I don't know much about Sharron Angle. She's not the tea party.

Jim Dandy: What precisely is wrong with the Tea Party movement? I've read what they stand for and it's clearly the core values of historic conservatism.

Artful Dodger: I don't know if the Tea Party is a good example of Republicans finding their way, if that is who you feel are doing the targeting. Sharron Angle, what do you think of her?

Jim Dandy: This is precisely why many incumbent Republicans are targets for replacement. Big spending and Conservatism don't go together and it's true that the Republicans have seriously lost their way.

Artful Dodger: I agree that many Americans consider themselves consrvatives, but they also consider themselves disinfranchised, because the present Republican form of conservativism isn't, and hasn't been for years

Public confidence in President Obama has hit a new low, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. Four months before midterm elections that will define the second half of his term, nearly six in 10 voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country, and a clear majority once again disapproves of how he is dealing with the economy.

Regard for Obama is still higher than it is for members of Congress, but the gap has narrowed. About seven in 10 registered voters say they lack confidence in Democratic lawmakers and a similar proportion say so of Republican lawmakers.........

...Independents -- that amorphous body that usually determines elections -- are continuing to migrate away from the Democratic Party. That party is increasingly identified by its leaders: Pelosi, Reid and Obama. They are to the left of many members of the party, but have dragged other party members who have done their bidding for them off the cliff, as well. Many more people identify themselves as conservatives than liberals......

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(V):  Ironically, Barry Goldwater denounced what you call modern conservatism in his later year - especially on social issues.

I probably won't get any responses but what do you US liberals think of this policy? I know that if it were Fox complaining you'd side with Obama. But hey, it's CNN.

Most Transparent Administration Ever Makes Effective Reporting from Gulf a Felony
by Lachlan Markay
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Effectively reporting on the Gulf oil spill is now a Class D felony, punishable by a fine of up to $40,000.

That's right, the most transparent administration in history has made it a felony, effective July 1, to get within 65 feet of what the Coast Guard determines are essential recovery efforts. According to Anderson Cooper, officials tried to up that number to 300 feet.

Cooper, who claimed federal officials prevented CNN on two occasions from taking photographs in the gulf, seemed frustrated when he reported on the new laws the day they went into effect. The press is "not the enemy here" he pleaded. The new policies, he said, make it "very easy to hide failure, and hide incompetence."

(V): Who ever said Fox was just about the news? You're living in lala land. Why do you make so many strawmen? Can you not form an argument based on something that is actually true?

never mind. I already know the answer.

BBC compares 3 polls with an average +/- of 3% on accuracy.

Obama opinion ratings approx 50%... about the same as the Fox poll.

Average poll size.. about 1500

Think tanks

In 1971 Lewis F. Powell Jr. urged conservatives to retake command of public discourse by "financing think tanks, reshaping mass media and seeking influence in universities and the judiciary." In the coming decades policies once considered outside the mainstream consensus—abolishing welfare, privatizing Social Security, deregulating banking, embracing preemptive war—were taken seriously and sometimes passed into law thanks to the work of the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Fox News Network, as well as numerous corporate lobbying organizations and university professorships.

The meaning of conservatism in America has little in common with the way the word is used in the rest of the world. Since the 1890s conservatism has been chiefly associated with the Republican Party, though in the era of segregation the Southern Democrats, known as the Dixicrats, were conservative.[9][10][11]

Core conservative issues in the 21st century include reduced government regulation of business, resistance to world government and to environmentalism, opposition to abortion and homosexuality, support for Christian education in the public schools[12], support for the right to bear arms, securing the U.S borders, and strict enforcement of the law[13]. Conservatives emphasize their patriotism and claim to share the beliefs of the Founding Fathers. Many say that America is a Christian nation.[14]

The modern conservative movement is often identified with the ideas in Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind, published in 1953.[15] In 1955, William F. Buckley, Jr. founded National Review, a conservative magazine that included traditionalists, such as Kirk, along with Roman Catholics, certain groups of libertarians, and anti-communists. In the 1970s moral issues—especially regarding abortion, sexuality and the family—became politically prominent and conservatives staked out distinctive positions, often with grassroots support from religious organizations such as the Moral Majority. This bringing together of separate ideologies under a conservative umbrella was known as "fusionism".

Modern conservatism became a major political force in 1964, when Barry Goldwater, a U.S. Senator from Arizona and author of The Conscience of a Conservative (1960), won the Republican presidential nomination after a fierce contest. He lost badly in the national election but permanently shifted the party to the right.

Most Americans who supported Obama are reluctant to abandon him at this point. But MANY supporters are beginning to question his competence. Some former supporters are outright turning their backs on Obama. And as the country continues to struggle, as massive spending continues, as unemployment rises, and as more and more controversies come to light within the DNC, the downward trend of support for Obama will likely continue. Look for the Democrats to FORCE through as many policy changes as they can as they betray the US even more.

Your stats are misleading...as is your usual:

These data are based on Gallup Daily tracking interviews conducted the week of June 28-July 4.

Over the past year, Obama has lost support among all party groups, though the decline has been steeper among independents than among Republicans or Democrats. Today's 38% approval rating among independents is 18 percentage points lower than the 56% found July 6-12, 2009. During the same period, his support has fallen nine points among Democrats (from 90% to 81%) and eight points among Republicans (from 20% to 12%).

Overall, 46% of Americans approve of the job Obama is doing as president in the June 28-July 4 aggregate, one point above his lowest weekly average. Obama's average weekly job approval rating has not been above 50% since Feb. 8-14, though it reached the 50% mark as recently as May 3-9.

Obama's lower ratings come amid a still-struggling economy, the ongoing difficulties presented by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and the recent change of command in the war in Afghanistan. Underscoring the challenge at hand, Obama's 44% approval rating in July 2-5 polling (Gallup did not interview July 4) ties his lowest three-day average to date.

Bottom Line

Obama is not alone in facing a challenging second year in office -- Bill Clinton (43%), Ronald Reagan (42%), and Jimmy Carter (40%) all were below the majority approval level in July of their second year. Of course, each of those presidents saw his party lose a substantial number of seats in that year's midterm congressional elections, though both Reagan and Clinton recovered in time to win a second term as president.